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California, Again

Discussion in 'Legal' started by ORAG, Aug 16, 2006.

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  1. ORAG

    ORAG Member

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    I cannot understand why peope live in California. Here are a couple of reasons

    When my dad went to California to get a job during WWII, he was hired by one of the Airplane Mfg plants. At the end of the hiring line there was a Highway Patrolman issuing tickets to people that had a job in California and no CA License to operate a Motor Vehicle.

    When I was stationed in California in the 60's (RVN 68), I was told by my girlfriend's family that I had to have a CA License. Most states will let servicemen get by if they are licensed in their home state. I went in to the License office and asked about getting a CA License. I was a 2nd Lieutenant on orders for Vetnam and they told me that becaue I was under 21 I would have to write my parents for permission to get a CA license. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

    Finally I cannot understand how 1500 sq feet of house in California can be worth four times what a house in Kansas costs.

    I do understand why a lot of people retire from there and move to other places.
     
  2. dracphelan

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    Because people are willing to pay that much. I've seen similar things happen in other parts of the country. What was once a modest low-middle income (with matching prices) neighborhood becomes fashionable and housing prices are double what they were a few years ago and the people who used to live there can no longer afford the property taxes and have to move.
     
  3. ryoushi

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  4. crazed_ss

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    California is a nice place to live. San Diego is an stunningly beautiful city. The weather is great and the women are beautiful. I can drive with my T-Tops off year-round :)

    I know many people here arent a fan of Mexico, but I tell you.. Baja is a great place to chill. I spend the entire weekend in Baja just soaking up the sun on the beach, drinking coronas, and eating tacos.. it's theraputic. :)

    Then there's the bad stuff like the insane real estate and AW ban. Sometimes I think "I have to get out of this place!!!" .. and then I take a drive up highway 101 and I think "Man, this is just too nice to leave"

    Hard to explain man..
     
  5. Punkermonkey

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    With all due respect, please do not bash California. It can be a very nice place to live.
     
  6. AJAX22

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    California is an awesome place, its just being legislated into the ground.

    If it wasn't as nice as it is, we wouldn't be spending so much time and energy trying to work around the AW laws.

    Saying, oh just move then you can get whatever you want sounds nice, but CA is a nice place to live once you get outside of the Urban centers.

    What california needs is to be split into three states, So Cal, Centeral Cal and Nor Cal. It has three distinct political/social atmospheres and distinct demographics.

    So Cal would rappidly turn into an extension of mexico with the loss of tax dollers from the rest of the state.

    Central cal would stay just about the same (real estate would skyrocket), and nor cal would be more rugged and independant, and probably start allowing Full autos and will issue CCW.
     
  7. Harley Quinn

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    Depends on what rights you want.

    First and foremost.

    Funny thing about rights, it is an issue that will never be settled.

    Right to be able to walk down a street is a biggie and not get shot.

    Funny you are way more likly to be hurt, killed in a car crash. So if you wonder why they have so many people, it is because of the huge economy.
    The ability to make more money, spend more, and have more, to do.

    If you are happy with just a gun state, there are plenty out there.

    There is only one California, and it is the 7th largest economy in the world, or so they mention.

    When you are that big, things get done differently, than a state that only has a population of a few million.

    Los Angeles alone has a population of 13 million and that is not including the surrounding small incorporated cities.

    So yes, the best thing that can happen to this engine, is to slow down. Please don't move here, visit and leave.
    That is what they told me in Texas.

    No problem, I'll take California anytime.
    Many have moved to Florida to get away from the responsibility of paying their bills.
    O.J. is not alone there. That is a good state for guns, go there if that is your main concern in life.

    HQ:)
     
  8. The-Fly

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    as a native of Cali who fled 3 years ago, I have mixed feelings about the state. On one hand, I loved the beauty of it. On the other hand, i despise the socialism and yuppist overgrowth thats over run San Diego (my native city), and has turned it from a decent town into just another burb of LA. Factor in the insane cost of living, taxes, crappy gun laws, the threat of Mexico over running southern cali at any moment, crime, etc, etc, etc, and its no wonder so many natives are fleeing.

    Fortunately I found equal beauty in Colorado, smaller government, few gun laws, etc. All I got to do is keep the yuppies back in LA where they belong :D
     
  9. Car Knocker

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  10. Thefabulousfink

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    Go North Young Man!

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    WA and OR have beutiful country and a much lower %Crazy than California.:D
     
  11. Frog48

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    California is beautiful, and a great place to visit.

    However, I dont think I'd choose to live there, due to the high taxes, high cost of living, and the oppressive government.
     
  12. Correia

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    I'm a native Californian, born and raised. My wife was also raised in California. The majority of our family is still there. I moved to Utah about ten years ago.

    That said, I DESPISE California.

    Absolutely hate the place. I even hate visiting.

    My home area has sunk into a pit of crime and poverty. Same with my wife's home town, only there people pay insane sums of money for the privledge of being commuter distance to their job. There are people commuting from my home town to go to the San Jose area to work. That is a 2 hour drive! But at least then they can live in something better than a shack for half a million dollars.

    True, California is probably one of the most beautiful places on Earth. Sadly, the people who run the show are insane.

    It isn't just about guns, that had nothing to do with me moving away. My family were farmers, and that got legislated out of existence also. They left first. I stayed there to go to college. I was the victim of a totally random violent crime, and at that point decided that California just plain sucks, so I moved.

    California has more rights for criminals, lunatics, homeless people, and illegal aliens than it does for the actual tax paying citizens who live there.

    There are lots of good people in California, in fact, some of the best that I've ever known. It is too bad that they are so horribly outnumbered.
     
  13. Punkermonkey

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    Fink - It sure is nice, but we have better signs

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  14. ArmedBear

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    I'm 40, and I was born here.

    Once upon a time, there was a buzz in the air. Apart from silliness like the drivers' licenses, which frankly didn't impact to many people, the state felt free. Houses by the beach were cheap. It seemed like every garage had someone tinkering with some new invention or hobby. At home, tinkerers gave birth to the dune buggy, the hot rod, the modern surfboard, the hang glider. At work, they developed PCs, airplanes (even Charles Lingbergh's plane was built in San Diego), miracle drugs, and Weatherby Magnums. Athletes invented a lot of today's sports, and discovered physical fitness as a part of a long, rewarding life. Artists and writers made places famous; Hollywood was once a locus of great innovation. The Libertarian Party was founded here.

    Now, we can't light fireworks on the 4th of July, our cars must be inspected by the state, surfing is largely regulated and sometimes banned by lifeguards, we're the only state outside the northeastern quarter of the US without "shall-issue," hell, a number of cities have even banned smoking outdoors. On most of our beaches, you can't play fetch with your dog, even in January when no one is around. There are signs at big, empty grass parks that say, "No Ball Games, Practice or Play without Permit." The sheer number of petty laws regulating our every activity is astounding, and the legislature passes 4 new ones PER DAY. The City and County fill in any gaps.

    The spirit of innovation has been replaced by the spirit of authoritarian socialism. I'm not saying we're the USSR yet, but the spirit is there. The place is turning into an Atlas Shrugged world, surviving largely on momentum.

    I can still surf, hunt, fish, mountain bike and ski on the same day here. Last year, we snowshoed through a quiet forest, then dropped down into town, put on shorts and ate burgers at a crowded, fun outdoor place with music blaring. This county alone has 13 of the 17 types of ecosystems; it would be worth being here just for the photography opportunities.

    If you don't know why people want to live here, then you haven't been here. (Not all of the place is this nice, though, that is true.)

    However, I got to see it 40 years ago (I can remember 35), and compared to that, it really IS disappointing.
     
  15. ryoushi

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    Right, no yuppies in Colorado. Ever been to Boulder?

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  16. Harley Quinn

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    Correia

    I hear you. Must have been close to Sacto. :(

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  17. Correia

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    I'm from the San Joaquin Valley. My wife is from outside of San Jose.

    It really does make me sad. I'm ten years younger than Armedbear, but I've seen the same kind of thing happen.
     
  18. BrennanKG

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    My wife, daughter and I are native San Diegans, but we'll leaving for San Antonio as of next month. There are many factors involved: job opportunities, housing, crime rates, firearm laws.

    We're going to miss California in general and San Diego in particular, but this is a good move for us.



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  19. Liberal Gun Nut

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    It's not as bad as you'd think. When I moved here a couple years back I was floored to find out I could shoot a highpower match any weekend day of the year without driving more than one hour. Two in January were cancelled for rain. None for snow and none for thunderstorms.
     
  21. littledoc

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    I first came to southern California in the early/mid 80's to visit my future wife's family. It was a beautiful place. Vibrant and alive. We moved out here in '99, expecting the same thing. Not even close, the fruits and nuts had taken over.

    It is still a beautiful place, but below the surface it is rotten. They still cling to the "7th largest economy..." crap, but that is false. Manufacturing has moved out and the only true income that is here anymore are the ports. The biggest employer is the government. California would never be able to stand on it's own if they were not part of the US. The infrastructure is about gone. We can't even produce our electricity and our water comes from out of state. The freeway system -once the crown jewel- is in such disrepair that it can never be made right again.

    The tax burden is oppressive, but the money goes to "benefits" and gov't employees salaries. The various bureaucracies are bloated. There are over 1700 positions in Los Angeles County alone where they make over $200,000.00 a year. For a county job.

    Peace Officer status is very highly sought after. It offers a special status in California. It seems that many state bureaucracies have there own police force as well. Even LA County lifeguards are peace officers. All of them, with commensurate pay. The county has the Sheriff's Department, as it should, and the County Police, a whole other department. I don't even want to get into the school police, where a school district may have it's own police force, some with their own SWAT team. Every department with any oversight over anything has a police force. Don't get me wrong, I am very pro law inforcement, but it is ridiculous here. It is only a symptom, but one I though folks could relate to. Every "department" has to have it's administration and support.

    Whenever there is a cut in personnel, it always comes from the rank and file. The cop on the street, the firefighter, the teacher. The apparatchiks keep their high paying jobs.

    It's a shame that California is so far gone, but as everywhere else in the world, socialism is crumbling. Many thought that Arnold could do something. But it's not the Governor, it's the legislature. And until the voters stop voting for the free money, it'll only get worse.

    Rant out.
     
  22. 50 Freak

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    I still love CA.

    CA offers good weather, good food, hot women and a big one in my book....FAMILY. Can't just pick up and leave the extended 50Freak clan behind you know.

    I have a home worth 7 figures and a 6 figure salary, a good wife and a beautiful ankle biter. I get to travel 2 times out of the country every year on vacation. Living and working in CA affords me all this.

    Life is good. Why would I leave CA just so I can have a CCW (oh wait, I already have a CCW) or for AW's (oh wait, I do have grandfathered AW's and 50's). Only thing I want for is a Class III (am working on that right now).

    Some of us have it pretty good here and will continue the fight
     
  23. Zundfolge

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    :scrutiny: The Libertarian Party was founded in Colorado.

    http://www.lp.org/organization/history.shtml

    One can still CCW without a permit in their vehicle on the streets of Boulder.
     
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    Well Ct,Me,Nh are shall issue and VT is unregulated... :evil: Also don't forget IL and Wi are No issue along with HI being may issue...
     
  25. ArmedBear

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    Sorry, I was thinking of their first Presidential candidate, who came from near my hometown, which was also the epicenter of the campaign at the time, AFAIK.
     
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