Same plan here...make as much dough as possible, flip some houses,climb the corporate ladder, pad that 401k, and retire in rural, coastal Oregon, Washington, or maybe the San Juans if I can swing it. Until then I'll dip my shoulder to the burden of my GG Bridge-view home, the absolute constellation of great restaurants, the amazing park system with the hundreds of miles of hiking/mountain bike trails, the moderate climate, I could go on and on....
california legal carbine choices
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No_Brakes23
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Or you could get a "good enough for now" carbine and wait for a real one.
I am looking at the SU-16CA for that purpose, and when I get a second home in Parker/Yuma/Portland/Flagstaff, then I can get the real stuff.
Luchtaine
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m1 Carbine!
Winchester superx makes hollowpoints I haven't tried them in mine yet though.
at ranges iunside my house I could put all 10 ball rounds in the target in a blink anyways so.
I'm getting out of the state I was too young to grandfather anything fun. I'm 21 and I want to move for more reasons than just the laws. I mean can you guys really fault me for wanting out?
Winchester superx makes hollowpoints I haven't tried them in mine yet though.
at ranges iunside my house I could put all 10 ball rounds in the target in a blink anyways so.
I'm getting out of the state I was too young to grandfather anything fun. I'm 21 and I want to move for more reasons than just the laws. I mean can you guys really fault me for wanting out?
BerettaNut92
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M1 Carbine.
Sweet.
Sweet.
Tacoma
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WW II vintage M1 Carbine in 30 cal???
If not , how about one of the 9mm/40/45 cal carbines around? I have a marlin 9mm camp gun that's a cool ( ad cheap to feed) rifle. Teh marlins are out of production but other companies still make similar offerings.
If not , how about one of the 9mm/40/45 cal carbines around? I have a marlin 9mm camp gun that's a cool ( ad cheap to feed) rifle. Teh marlins are out of production but other companies still make similar offerings.
No_Brakes23
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Not one bit. As much as I love Cali, if I was single and 21, I would think about moving, too.
Deal's Gap, "The Tail of the Dragon" could provide me with some of the canyon motorcycling I love so much, and the South has some better ideas about gun laws. Vermont and Oregon wouldn't be too bad, either.
Gunsnrovers
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Mini-14 or SU-16.
I'd throw in a M1 Carbine, but as their prices are getting up and over $750, it puts a huge dent in your $1k budget. For $1k, you could do a lot to a $400 Mini-14.
The SU just didn't do it for me (though I've only handled one and have not shot one).
That Remington is rather interesting. Don't know a thing about it though.
I'd throw in a M1 Carbine, but as their prices are getting up and over $750, it puts a huge dent in your $1k budget. For $1k, you could do a lot to a $400 Mini-14.
The SU just didn't do it for me (though I've only handled one and have not shot one).
That Remington is rather interesting. Don't know a thing about it though.
MatthewVanitas
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Actually, the new M1 Carbines can be had under $500
These days Kahr/Auto-Ordnance is making new M1 carbines (using some surplus parts), and those run less than $500 lots of places.
It's not in .223, but detachable mags have been widely available in the US for a half-century, ammo available online, etc.
I'm not a 3-gun guy, so you'd have to ask one of the others whether the M1 Carbine is a practical choice for gaming.
It's certainly about the handiest little centerfire rifle out there, and you can always add a folding stock once you leave CA, should you be so inclined.
Good luck, -MV
These days Kahr/Auto-Ordnance is making new M1 carbines (using some surplus parts), and those run less than $500 lots of places.
It's not in .223, but detachable mags have been widely available in the US for a half-century, ammo available online, etc.
I'm not a 3-gun guy, so you'd have to ask one of the others whether the M1 Carbine is a practical choice for gaming.
It's certainly about the handiest little centerfire rifle out there, and you can always add a folding stock once you leave CA, should you be so inclined.
Good luck, -MV
Guns_and_Labs
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The Remington pump action 7615P in .223 looks really good to me for the "non-grandfathered." Lots of options on stocks, mags. And a pump action is just as fast at aimed fire as a semi-auto, at least for me. Put a red dot or ghost ring on top, and you're ready to rock and roll.
If I had to live there I would go with a Springfield M1a Socom model with 10 round mags and a muzzle break. I would load up with 110 grain tap for defense to minimize over penetration. I had a Mini 14 and hate them. There about as accurate as AK's.
Pat
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Ya. Everyone knows what a failure the AK is in combat.
Cut the barrel of the Mini down to 16". It will shoot 2-3 MOA. That is good enough. It will always go bang.
Here is a bet - from standing or kneeling, you will shoot the Mini more accurately than the M1A Socom at 100 yards.
Cut the barrel of the Mini down to 16". It will shoot 2-3 MOA. That is good enough. It will always go bang.
Here is a bet - from standing or kneeling, you will shoot the Mini more accurately than the M1A Socom at 100 yards.
The Ak is a reliable weapon but accuracy is poor. Our guys are kicking butt on AK armed insurgients in Iraq. As to the socom vs the Mini for accuracy if both are set up with good red dots the practical accuacy from standing would be simular. The M1A is also more durable than the Mini. The mini is not know for its ability to take alot of firing. Thats one of the reasons it was rejected as a military weapon.
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SpookyPistolero
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Saying that the AK is inaccurate is like calling sorority girls braindead. Sure, a lot of them have bleached the sense out of themselves, but a lot of them could also whip me on an exam. Cobbled together pieces like a WASR don't stand much of a chance against a new make AR of course, but something like an Arsenal or VEPR can hold it's own quite well. My stock Saiga has given me almost 1 MOA on multiple occasions.
I would imagine the reason our troops are kicking butt against AK-armed attackers is due to vastly superior training and support and not so much the tools they were handed. If you trained up a few on the AK, I doubt their victories would be fewer. I will not at all say, however, that the sights are even equivalent. AK sights are not fun, but still useable.
All just my opinion, YMMV.
I would imagine the reason our troops are kicking butt against AK-armed attackers is due to vastly superior training and support and not so much the tools they were handed. If you trained up a few on the AK, I doubt their victories would be fewer. I will not at all say, however, that the sights are even equivalent. AK sights are not fun, but still useable.
All just my opinion, YMMV.
Kjay
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So the mini14 is not the most accurate rifle and won't stand up to the pounding that modern battle rifles must endure. I thought we were discussing a California legal carbine. I've owned a Mini14 for 25 years and found it dependable and accurate enough to hit a man sized target to 200m. Had a HK93 and Galil but disposed of them in order to not be a registered "gun offender." IMHO, the Mini14 works just fine for a light defensive carbine.
SpookyPistolero
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Definitely agree that the AK isn't great to have when distance is a factor, though I've gotta soft spot for those tough Kalashnikovs. Not sure I would want the 5.56 at a distance either, so I'd hope for a .308 mbr.
I would also say the Mini would be pretty low on the list of acceptable battle rifles. They are fine ranch guns or defensive rifles, but not what I would want over there. At all.
Has anyone seen the history channel show 'shootout'? Saw it last night flipping channels. Very neat and detailed breakdown of the tactics during actual shootouts in Fallujah. After watching it, it really does make me reconsider the value of a more powerful round, as well as the importance (rather than comfort) of good ergonomics. That's where the AR really shines, IMHO.
I would also say the Mini would be pretty low on the list of acceptable battle rifles. They are fine ranch guns or defensive rifles, but not what I would want over there. At all.
Has anyone seen the history channel show 'shootout'? Saw it last night flipping channels. Very neat and detailed breakdown of the tactics during actual shootouts in Fallujah. After watching it, it really does make me reconsider the value of a more powerful round, as well as the importance (rather than comfort) of good ergonomics. That's where the AR really shines, IMHO.
The problem with the Mini 14 is that they just don't hold up well to a lot of shooting. I'm not insulting those of you who own them, or really like them, but if you try to put your Mini through a high intensity carbine class or a season of 3gun it is going to go down. They are good guns, but just not up to the same level as some of the military based guns. I believe it was Pat Rogers of Gunsite who said that he had never seen a Mini make it all the way through a 5 day carbine class without breaking.
Of the California legal guns, I like the M1a/M14 the best.
Of the California legal guns, I like the M1a/M14 the best.
Hmmm. I take mine out every month. I shoot about 150 rounds in an hour or two. Never a malfunction. Nothing has ever broken. Ever. In the carbine classes I am aware of, you typically shoot about 500 rounds per day.
I question the so called failure of the Mini as an urban myth. Could it be that guys that own Minis are less gun savy (in the free parts of the USA) than the AR guys? Maybe this less than expert group didn't maintain their weapon as well or caused some of the problems.
I more savy guy would own an AR if he could. Even though I have seen ARs so jammed up it required tools to fix.
I question the so called failure of the Mini as an urban myth. Could it be that guys that own Minis are less gun savy (in the free parts of the USA) than the AR guys? Maybe this less than expert group didn't maintain their weapon as well or caused some of the problems.
I more savy guy would own an AR if he could. Even though I have seen ARs so jammed up it required tools to fix.
COrreia speaks the truth. Having been around mini's used by some agencies during trainings the Mini's prove to be reliable till the break. They don't last long under hard use. Their ok for light use and thats what they were designed for. They are not a military weapon.
Pat
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What is it about extended firing that causes mini's to go down?
The only difference between my firing of 150 rounds at a time for 5000 rounds over a long period and that of a shooting school scenario would be the heat build up.
It would be interesting to know what specifically is breaking and see if it is heat related.
The only difference between my firing of 150 rounds at a time for 5000 rounds over a long period and that of a shooting school scenario would be the heat build up.
It would be interesting to know what specifically is breaking and see if it is heat related.
SpookyPistolero
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I don't mean this in a flame in any way whatsoever, because I'm all for you using whatever weapon you like to use, but why don't you try 'torture testing' your mini to see how things go? Take it to a rifle course and see how it handles. Strip it regularly to gauge possible wear and tear. If the funds/time aren't around for that, just put it through a really regular and intense shooting schedule.
At least you would know which parts might be prone to wear and breakage and be able to keep replacements on hand in the future.
Plus, I'd be really interested in the results.
At least you would know which parts might be prone to wear and breakage and be able to keep replacements on hand in the future.
Plus, I'd be really interested in the results.
No problem Spooky. I don't take it as a flame. Except, I have on occasion shot my Mini-14 several hundred rounds at a time with 0.0 problems. Most of the time I fire about 100-150 rounds. I have bump fired it plenty too. No problems. Everyone I have known has stated that this gun is reliable.
That is why I am surprized to hear that it doesn't stand up to heavy fire. The only difference that sustained fire would bring to the table would be heat. Overall, because of these reasons, I am skeptical of the claim. But, heck, I have seen sooooo many (dozens) AR15s jam and malfunction and people have told me I am crazy because theirs never gives them a problem.
Has any one ever posted a torture test on a Mini-14?
That is why I am surprized to hear that it doesn't stand up to heavy fire. The only difference that sustained fire would bring to the table would be heat. Overall, because of these reasons, I am skeptical of the claim. But, heck, I have seen sooooo many (dozens) AR15s jam and malfunction and people have told me I am crazy because theirs never gives them a problem.
Has any one ever posted a torture test on a Mini-14?
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