California Refugees: Oregon or Washington?

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Oregon is being liberalized.

That's due to all the Californians moving here. I can't figure out why everyone wants out of California yet they bring their liberal views with them and ruin the states they move too. I'm from Idaho, hold residency in Washington and currently live in Oregon and each of the three states are being ruined by the influx of Californians.

I have nothing against Californians that move here and become Oregonians but I do have problems with the ones that move here and remain Californians (which is most of them)

My recommendation is Wyoming. ;)
 
Periodically, the Washington State Department of Revenue does some publicized prosecutions of people who live in Washington and buy a $ 450,000 motorhome in Portland, for example.

Huh??? I can understand that they'd be upset, but since when is there any kind of requirement to buy things in the state you're a resident of?!?!
 
Go to Washington, we have to many cali transplants here already. Ok beyond that Wash is a better business state but oregon has better gun laws. Although wash is more gun friendly.
 
I lived in Washington before moving to Alaska but I work in Washington regularly. The last car I rented had California plates...man I couldn't wait to get rid of that thing! I got more Michael Vick waves than you can imagine. I was going to tape a sign up that said "NOT FROM CALIFORNIA!" It seems that people discourage Californians from leaving California :) In my experience the people of Washington and Oregon are pretty friendly until they find out you're from California then you're on your own...prove your innocence :scrutiny:

BTW both states have plenty to offer.


R
 
Solely for tax reasons, I know of many people who live in Vancouver, Washington, and do their shopping in Oregon. This avoids both the Oregon income tax and the Washington sales tax. Periodically, the Washington State Department of Revenue does some publicized prosecutions of people who live in Washington and buy a $ 450,000 motorhome in Portland, for example.

You don't avoid paying sales tax on motorhomes or cars by buying them in Oregon. You still have to pay WA sales tax when you take it to the DMV to register it. Matter of fact, I think you are required to pay the sales tax at the dealer if you are not an Oregon resident?
 
It seems that people discourage Californians from leaving California

Understandable, but futile. There are numerous reasons to bail out of California, and people aren't gonna stop leaving.
 
No kidding about all the Californians ruining things here in Wa , since the last great influx the price of land has gone from about $6K per acre to over $50k here in Mason county alone . You can always tell who a former Cali resident is during the winter becaus its usually one of them upside down in the median in a big honkin arse SUV . They can't read traffic signs apparently or were taught they are merely 'suggestive driving tips' . Personally I'm thinking of going to Wyoming or Idaho ..if I can get a line on a job in that direction .
 
I feel compelled to reply in this thread.

I grew up in Western Wa, went to college at Central Wa Univ (Eastern WA), and have spent the last 5 years in Southern Oregon. I have family and ties in both states. Here is my take:

Washington: No income tax, has sales tax, moderate to extreme weather conditions is most areas, modern and has increased housing costs that creep toward CA prices. CCW is Shall Issue and no Class 3 (if that is a consideration).

Oregon: Income tax, no sales tax, Car tabs are @ $40 for 2 years. People are genuinely unfriendly to just about all people not local (again I live in So. Oregon), with a particular dislike to all things Californian, with the notable exception of their money. Home prices in just about anywhere in Western Oregon have priced many middle income wage earners into the world of renting. You will appreciate the weather as being milder than Washington though. Grants Pass and Medford can actually be brutally hot in the summer, multiple 100+ days.

Having said all that, we ar actually thinking of moving somewhere else, TX, TN or even FL. Good luck!

Mike
 
Keep in mind neither state recognizes the other's CCW licenses and some counties (*cough*multnomah*cough*) won't issue out of state licenses to residents of the other state. Makes it pretty frustrating if you occasionally cross over the river.
Just don't bring the California mindset to either state, it's bad enough already. Since you are on this website you probably won't do that though :)
 
Personally I'm thinking of going to Wyoming or Idaho ...
I've considered Idaho, also. Great landscape. Big mountains. Nice connection to even bigger country north of there. I may head that direction after here.

But increasingly, I'm just thinking about by-passing Idaho and cutting directly to the chase, to where I really want to be: Alaska.

Grants Pass and Medford can actually be brutally hot in the summer, multiple 100+ days.
Dude, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Give it a decade (two max). I'll meet you back here to discuss the changes. Then, I humbly suggest, you'll understand why I'm thinking Alaska ain't such a bad idea.
 
I wish Californians would stay in California. They've destroyed their own state and I'm sick of them spreading their liberal diseases.

And I don't want to hear how it was out-of-staters that destroyed Californians. The natives let it happen and deserve everything they get.

The entire left/west coast is evidence of the contamination. That wall we're supposed to build (yeah, right!) along the mexican border should veer north along the kalifornian line, all the way to Canada.
 
Living in Nevada, I understand the feelings that people have towards Californians moving into their states. Hell, I had to move from Nevada to California for 5 years, and when I moved back, I was looked at the same way. Personally, I think that someone who is a regular on this board is not likely to be someone who would try to "Californicate" their new home state.
Those who would do that are not gun owners. They're the gun haters.
 
UberPhLuBB, the answer to your questions is dependent on the reasons you are leaving the Peoples Republic of California. I might also ask about where in the PRK but generalities will work. First off if you have a “moderate” home in any major metropolitan area, you should have a significant amount of equity, and can expect to pay cash for a similar if not larger home. Second consideration is employment, unless you’re retiring with this move you will need to consider a metro area, Seattle, Vancouver, or Portland. Yes there is a list of smaller ones but as previously mentioned, there is a boatload of prejudice against “cash rich Californians” on both sides of the river.

I’m curious to know about the silly gun laws in WA, and the liberalization going on in Oregon. Which and what? Washington has good points for CCW and general ownership; there is also a move underway to enact an AWB at the state level. Oregon has CCW; liberal open carry laws, state level 2nd AM protection, and class III without problems in most areas. The Portland metro area also has a list of psycho anti-gun politicians working to prohibit everything.

Forget about taxes as an issue, the sales tax in WA in all it’s forms minus an income tax will equal the higher property taxes plus income tax minus a sales tax in OR for the average resident. A list of other “little” taxes will round out the numbers but you can expect to pay about the same in “user fees” or “taxes” in either state. There is also a risk of prosecution for WA residents buying anything of significant price in OR to avoid the taxes.

My story? We decided to move out of the PRK years ago. My wife’s family had moved into a berg south of Grants Pass and we wanted to join them. After a couple of visits, the economic reality dictated Portland or Vancouver. We had a small condo and listed in the face of a dying market, it sold and escrow closed a mere two weeks before the bubble burst. Free and clear? Not hardly. We both had relatively good jobs and just walked away from them, no employment waiting for us.

We found a small townhouse to rent and found work at a lower skill level, then a house to rent and spent a couple of years advancing in the job market. Employment still wouldn’t allow a reinvestment at the same sales level so we wound up paying “penalties” for not paying capital gains promptly, I understand the laws have changed so look at them to be sure of your situation. We bought a small house and now have a quite a bit of equity thanks to the influx of cash rich Californians moving into the Portland Metro Area and inflating the property values. (Sorry, I could help it.)

As a shooting addict, I experienced withdrawal in an extreme form. Not knowing anyone with my affliction or anywhere to go was very difficult for me, not having the disposable income to spend helped. Can you believe there wasn’t a store within forty miles of the rented homes to compare with any gun store I left behind, and this was in a “major” metro area, times have sure changed! I once bought a new Colt 1991a1, four years later it was still NIB. I still have to drive twenty miles to get to what I consider a gun store.

Where to move? Come to the Willamette Valley anywhere West of Portland, every home that sells makes my place worth another hundred bucks, they can’t build them fast enough for me. True, weather can be problematic. It does rain a good deal here; consider stainless guns, I need to buy some as all mine are blue. Snow and Ice? We just exaggerate the stories on the news to scare the Newbies. ;) (Dad calls at least twice a year to see if we’re alive.)

Several gun clubs in the area, hunting is convenient, and employment is relatively abundant for those with skills. You can expect lower wages along with lower property values and cost of living. Indoor ranges are few and far between, mostly in the City of Portland, but the woods are wide open. Let me know when you get here, I’ll be glad to give you the grand tour.

BTW...if you need a job when you get here, the closer to Portland the better.
}:)>
 
The best advice I got before moving up here from Arizona was to tough it out through two winters. If after that you just can't stand the idea of another winter then move back to where it is sunny and warm. That was 12 years ago...
 
True, weather can be problematic. It does rain a good deal here; consider stainless guns...
Precipitation will increase here in coming decades, more as rain than snow,
and more in extreme precipitation events punctuating extended droughts.

Agreed that those living here should consider stainless guns
(or at least a towel and some oil to wipe down the barrels and actions after hunting).
 
Go to Washington. Too many transplants in OR bringing their newfangled ideas to Oregon... :)
 
If you are from California, used to California ways and just want better gun laws and people that still think like your used to in CA (about socialist policies and more and more regulations and agencies to oversee and manage any problem that comes up) go to washington. It is home to a lot of progressives, enviromental activists, microsoft etc with a lot of job opportunities. Oregon would leave you feeling a lot in your new home state needed to be changed to include some of the good ideas that were legislatively installed in California before you feel at home.

This is not an insult, it is the truth. Many people in CA think every time someone writes a proposition to regulate or create a law that makes perfect sense it should be enacted just because it makes sense. What does not make sense is the tons of agencies that must be created to oversee these policies which in turn creates a permanently larger government requiring more taxes to support more people that exist and make a living telling others how to live. This leads to more complex legal systems and requires a much higher number of lawyers per capita. Of course most politicains also have a legal background so this works out nicely.
If you benefit from the politics/policies not involving firearms in CA but want to enjoy your toys, Washington is the place for you.
 
I agree with the sentiment that Kali refugees should first consider Washington. It's everything you love about Kali and then some.

You want two nearly retarded female US Senators who back gun control? Washington.
You want to subsidize billionarie pro ball club owners? Washington.
You want a giant Cal-Trans-esque sucking sound in the local governmental finances, no matter how far you live from the "necessary transit projects?" Washington.
You want a governor who does nothing? Oregon. You want a governor who sees it as something of a divine right to rule after receiving a mandate from felons and dead people? Washington.
You want a full time legislature? Washington. Part-time and dysfunctional? Oregon.
You want a major metropolitan center that looks like a Blade Runner set? Seattle is your kind of town.

Please move to Washington.
 
I tried to ignore it for as long as I could, but I can't any longer.

You people who suggest I go to whichever state isn't yours make me SICK. You think you're morally superior to me because I was born in California? You think I have the same views as people on the coast? You think simply because I was born in this state that I agree with it's politics? Why do you think I want to LEAVE? It sure isn't the weather.

Almost every person to post in this thread from Oregon or Washington is a presumptuous, self-righteous wretch. You think you're being funny; you're vile, horrible people. Truely terrible human beings. You make me want to skip the entire West coast, but I'm not going to do you that favor. I'm moving to Oregon or Washington because of my extended family there, it just seems I'm going to have to do my own work instead of rely on such inhospitable people.

High Road? Not hardly, neither for you Oregonians, Washingtonians or for me.

I thank those of you who have had the decency to post relevant information, especially meinbruder. You've been most helpful. God help the rest of you.
 
as long as you don't

choose Colorado. For the love of all that is holy, quit letting californians over the border. We need a border fence.
 
Uber, as far as I'm concerned, you're welcome in my state and my town. I'll even help you find a place to live here. (Just send me a PM if you want suggestions about particular towns or regions.)

My suggestions for looking at Idaho and Alaska were not in any way meant as "don't come to my state", but as a heads up that even I'm thinking of moving to them for several reasons.

I won't speak for others, but for me, I'll say, no offense intended, only trying to help.

I wish you success with your move. OR and WA both are great states. I think you'll find the majority of folks in both to be fine, friendly folks.

Nem
 
Almost every person to post in this thread from Oregon or Washington is a presumptuous, self-righteous wretch. You think you're being funny

Well, maybe they are just dorks venting generalities. But I'll tell them one thing. If they think being rude to Californians will stop us from coming, think again. Everyone in California is already rude; we're used to that.

Nematocyst, I wouldn't worry too much about that Man-Bear-Pig stuff. Those sky-is-falling climatologists tend to be pretty far off. NOAA's models said we only had a 5 percent chance of having a light hurrican season in 2006, and guess what we got.
 
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