California Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges

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Thursday, September 06, 2007
By DON THOMPSON
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO (AP) - California would be the first state to require that every semiautomatic handgun cartridge be stamped with an identifying mark if the governor signs a bill that has now cleared both chambers of the Legislature.

The Senate approved the bill Thursday, sending it back to the Assembly for a final vote on amendments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not said whether he will sign the bill once it reaches his desk.

The measure would require that, starting in 2010, every semiautomatic handgun sold in California would have to automatically "microstamp'' each bullet cartridge in two locations as it is fired. The microscopic stamping would identify the gun's make, model and serial number.

The bill would not affect revolvers, rifles or shotguns, but supporters say semiautomatics are the weapon used in a majority of homicides committed with firearms. Unlike revolvers, semiautomatics eject a cartridge each time they are fired, scattering evidence at a crime scene.

"This is something that would be helpful in identifying the gun that was used in the commission of a crime,'' said Sen. Jack Scott, D-Altadena, during Thursday's debate. "It's just giving law enforcement one more tool.''

The measure cleared the Senate 21-17, with no votes to spare.

Opponents said the technology and the bill itself are dangerously flawed.

Criminals could collect cartridges from firing ranges and strew them at crime scenes, implicating innocent citizens, said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula. The firing pin that stamps the cartridge will either have to be so soft that it could be easily erased, or so brittle that it could break, he said.

Sen. Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, argued that the bill will add ``more cost and unnecessary harassment, quite frankly, of law-abiding citizens.''

Similar legislation was introduced in Massachusetts and Rhode Island this year, according to the bill's author, Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles. A federal bill, modeled on California's, is being considered by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles.

On the Net: Read AB1471 at www.assembly.ca.gov
 
It really looks like that sort of technology could be faulty, or never be implementable, due to cost of designing special firearms for California.
Thus semiautos will no longer be sold in California if that passes.
Would new batches of M9's on military bases in California be subject to having it too?
What a sneaky underhanded way of denying people a defense weapon.
Just my opinion, but I do use a bit of logic.
 
wait.... where have i heard of this before? OH YEH!

JUDGE DREDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


anyone see that movie?
if you did you understand why this is a BAD idea
 
I doubt the Gov will sign it

he did sign the .50 ban, but he promised to do that while campaigning.
He has been pretty good otherwise in not signing all the stupid bills the CA Assembly pass.
If he does not sign it I hope everyone will call and say "thank you"!
 
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Thus semiautos will no longer be sold in California if that passes.

That is sort of the point I suspect. They know no gun maker will be able to afford to manufacture these, so they effectively get a gun ban out of this.


The bill would not affect revolvers, rifles or shotguns, but supporters say semiautomatics are the weapon used in a majority of homicides committed with firearms

And criminals say they get 90% of their firearms from theft. If there are no semis to steal they will steal revolvers.

This makes my head hurt.
 
My first thought to this was: "Great, it'll be a complete and absymal failure (for the reasons that others here have already noted) and then any other state or the feds trying to push it we can point to the Cali failure like we do for Maryland for ballistic fingerprinting."

But then I remembered that some antis don't care whether it works, just that it makes gun purchasing that much more difficult or inconvenient.

If the bill passes, does my .45ACP-caliber reloader make me a felon in CA? I've got a semiauto, a revolver, and a carbine all chambered in that caliber.

Edit: just read the bill. All they talk about is the pistols themselves, so clearly the reason this law would fail to have any impact is because of the people reloading - they'd go after my reloader next year. :rolleyes:
 
In order to believe microstamping would be of any value at all, you first have to believe that an individual who would break the law to shoot someone will not break the law to file off a firing pin.
 
Does this bill exempt those semiautos sold to governmental (law enforcement) agencies?
YES. LEO EXEMPT.

Bad Law. I too hope that ALL manufacturers do a Ronnie Barrett & STOP selling guns in CA entirely. I'll buy all I need before the ban and continue to buy off the already listed DOJ APPROVED list that are not affected by this law.

It also DOES NOT affect pistols that are brought into CA from out of state.

EVERYONE WHO LIVES OUTSIDE OF CA should realize that this legislation is SOON comming to your state too.

I will also order extra "repalcement" firing pins for all of the pistols I buy in the future. Not to mention that pistols without the technology will sell at at a premium.
 
armoredman said:
Didn't LA county already ban reloading? Move east, to Free AZ, where our gun laws get better each year.

Dunno - I was speaking hypothetically, I'm already a lot farther east in New Hampshire, where our gun laws are already pretty good. :)
 
Igloodude said:
My first thought to this was: "Great, it'll be a complete and absymal failure (for the reasons that others here have already noted) and then any other state or the feds trying to push it we can point to the Cali failure like we do for Maryland for ballistic fingerprinting."

But then I remembered that some antis don't care whether it works, just that it makes gun purchasing that much more difficult or inconvenient.

If the bill passes, does my .45ACP-caliber reloader make me a felon in CA? I've got a semiauto, a revolver, and a carbine all chambered in that caliber.

What does reloading have to do with this bill? Absolutely nothing, as far as I can see.
 
Demonstrably false. Most gun crimes are committed with a .38 revolver.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf

Umm... although this may be demonstrably false, the report you cited is not sufficient for that demonstration. It clearly shows that in the 90's the .38 revolver was the most commonly stolen gun as well as the most commonly used weapon in Law Enforcement murders. However, it clearly shows a trend towards criminals preferring semi-automatics. Given the age of the data in that report and the fact that it does not give a definitive answer to the most common caliber used in crimes, the article may be correct that semi-automatics are the most used weapons now.
 
Personally, I would pull a Barret. No Handgun sales to any CA government agencies. Or ammo sales for that matter. Perhaps we could get some industry initiative on that.
 
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