California Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges

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Well I sent an email and called the .gov office this morning. Glad I am headed to a gun auction next week gonna try and pick up a couple of semi autos if possible.

It would be helpful if we all call the gov's office whether your a part of this state or not and you better call your own govenors office too.
 
So are all guns Currently on the DOJ APPROVED LIST. It will only apply to NEW guns after Dec. 31, 2009. Also, ONLY for pistols NOT Revolvers, Rifles, Shotguns
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I'm a little confused on this matter. I just pulled up the list off the CA DOJ site and noticed that there's an expiration date on them. The latest of which is 12/31/2008.

Soo... eventually the non-microstamped pistols would fall off the approved list, right?
 
ArmedBear

The fact that your state allowed the Governor to remain in office after signing the .50 bill, and continues to elect local and national representatives of dubious character is proof of your apathy.

In case you have ever wondered why so many people wouldn't shed a tear if your whole state slid off into the sea, this is yet one more example. To say your state legislature is out of touch with reality is a gift. The fact that you allow it to continue is an abomination.
 
re: honorsdaddy

We have a corrupt state legislature plain and simple. But also the way we are demographically split up is damaging to us. Between the hippies in SF and the la gang bangers, law abiding gun owners fall in the middle we are not a majority and the regular people do not care about their liberties enough to do anything about it.
 
The fact that your state allowed the Governor to remain in office after signing the .50 bill, and continues to elect local and national representatives of dubious character is proof of your apathy.
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You are pretty uninformed for someone who presumes to have an opinion about something.

I'll bet you voted for Bush or Kerry in '04. That proves your apathy, too.:rolleyes:

But hey, go ahead and spout off about what you think other people are or are not doing. It really does a lot of good.

Here's a tip for your reading enjoyment: Public Employee Unions. Enjoy what you read. Maybe you can help in your own state, although that would be more difficult than writing about things you're ignorant of. See, I actually would like to see every state get better, not worse, even if it IS easier to sit back and point fingers at people I have never met.
 
Arnold is our only hope for this one now.
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I agree.
I've called, written, e-mailed him my assembly person and my Senate representative. I also called Glock, S&W and Beretta urging them to contact Arnold and threaten to stop selling guns to LEO in the state if signed into law.
 
But hey, go ahead and spout off about what you think other people are or are not doing. It really does a lot of good.
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It gets this section of the forum locked down is what it does.
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they will fall off the list and have to be recertified under the new law if the manufacturers do not pay the extorition fees.
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I went and looked it up and the fee is $200 for an annual listing. Sounds small until you realize that that's for every make, model, caliber, and color of the gun. S&W with 281 firearms on that list runs an annual fee of $56,200. Yikes!

I also just noticed that there's a section in the law (old one I presume) that allows for up to 5% of the firearms on the list to be randomly retested, or tested if the DOJ has any reason to suspect that they'd fail the safety test.

Seems like a provision that could be used to knock every pistol currently on the list off by the year 2030.
 
^ no actually it could knock them off by 2010. that is the goal of this corrupt legislature. No guns in californiastan.

What will happen then? crime will rise people will leave the state and then those who cannot afford to leave will be stuck holding the bag.
 
ArmedBear

You can believe I am uninformed all you want, and that is your choice.

To paraphrase Einstein, significant problems cannot be fixed using the same processes which created them. This goes hand in hand with his definition of insanity as well.

Now, with those ideas in mind, why on earth do you and others insist upon using the same process which got you into this position to fix the problem?
 
You can believe I am uninformed all you want, and that is your choice.
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He doesn't have to believe it. You've proven it.

To paraphrase Einstein, significant problems cannot be fixed using the same processes which created them. This goes hand in hand with his definition of insanity as well.

Now, with those ideas in mind, why on earth do you and others insist upon using the same process which got you into this position to fix the problem?
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What process is it that you're ASSuming he's using? Are you even remotely aware of what the voting age population of California is? Do you suppose there's a far amount of political diversity in that crowd?
 
Now, with those ideas in mind, why on earth do you and others insist upon using the same process which got you into this position to fix the problem?
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I thought you were executed back in June 2001. Or have you offered any "solution" other than an attack, however small, on a government building, so far in all of the wisdom you've offered?

Seriously, you don't seem to know anything about politics in California. I don't know about what goes on in Oklahoma. The difference is, I don't THINK I do.

Tell me, who ran against Arnold in the last election?
What is his stance on gun rights?
Which of the many anti-gun bills passed, other than the .50 BMG ban, did Arnold sign, or veto?
How many seats in the Legislature are competitive?
Who draws up legislative districts?
Who tried to change this process?
Which California population centers are "red" and which are "blue"?
 
DAMN IT.

All of you, that's enough stupid bickering. Like we don't have enough real enemies without creating new ones amongst ourselves.

We closed this forum once, and banned two dozen posters for dilluting important threads with garbage sniping just like this.

HonorsDaddy, if you've got nothing to add except how bad California sucks, find a different thread to post in.

No more. Keep it to actual information and ideas, or DON'T POST in Legal.

This is an important topic, so I'm not gonna close it. And I don't really feel like going back and editing the last dozen posts, so ENOUGH!
 
Your personal attacks on CA or those of us that live here are going to get this thread closed. If you want to be an "ant burner" go elsewhere, read my previous posts about contacting firearms manufacturers.

It's time to put up or shut up, all this infighting and finger pointing gets us nowhere. Start making calls, this will spread as our good buddy Kennedy has already stated he wants laws just like this for all states.:banghead:
 
ArmedBear

You're right - i don't know much about CA politics. What I do know is I am frustrated beyond words with the damage your state's legislature continues to do to your own state, and fully aware of the painful reality that what is tried on the left coast tends to infect the rest of the nation - and that I can do nothing to about it.

I just don't understand WHY your state continues to elect the politicians you do, and i REALLY do not understand why there hasn't yet been a violent housecleaning.

I was so proud of California when you did the recall on Davis. I have been completely disgusted with what your state has allowed since.

My sincere apologies for popping off as I did. Was frustration speaking, not reasoned discourse.
 
California is working overtime to be the model for Statewide Gun Control should be (in their opinion)...


A shining beacon to other States!
 
So what happens when some criminal picks up your expent brass at the range and decides to plant your brass at a crime scene you take the heat? Or am I missing something?
 
Bear,

You're NOT helping the thread or the issue by arguing. I'd rather have the Mods delete your posts than close an important thread.

That said here is the answer to your "test". DO you even know the answers? If Yes it would have been more productive to just let it out and educate the other in this "LEGAL/ACTIVISM" forum

Tell me, who ran against Arnold in the last election?
Phil Angeledes, Edward C. Noonan, Peter Camejo, Art Olivier & Janice Jordan
What is his stance on gun rights?
He is a Gun Owner, PRO 2A, PRO RKBA
Which of the many anti-gun bills passed, other than the .50 BMG ban, did Arnold sign, or veto?
NONE http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/search/results/1d12aae96b6cda3252f2871d3aabb1bb/
How many seats in the Legislature are competitive?
All of them
Who draws up legislative districts?
Legislators
Who tried to change this process?
Democrats and Republicans both GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER DISCUSSES REDISTRICTING REFORM IN WEEKLY RADIO ADDRESS:
http://www.schwarzenegger.com/en/ne...dio_8-25-07.asp?sec=news&subsec=uptotheminute
Which California population centers are "red" and which are "blue"?
By City, County?
Approximately 55% of CA residents voted for Arnold the only counties where Angeledes won majority was: Alameda, Marin, San Mateo, Santa Cruz & Los Angeles. Arnold won all the rest

Answers to most of your questions can be verified at the site below:
http://vote.ss.ca.gov/Returns/gov/00.htm
 
If they put a microstamp on the firing pin, wouldn't it just stamp the primer, thereby making the reloaded brass (with a new primer) no longer tracable to you?

Not saying this law isn't retarded, it certainly is.
 
If they put a microstamp on the firing pin, wouldn't it just stamp the primer, thereby making the reloaded brass (with a new primer) no longer tracable to you?
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The bill calls for 2 or more areas to be stamped. One goes on the firing pin and the other goes on the breechface.

So, yeah, your headstamps would end up looking like a well traveled passport after a while.
 
What is his stance on gun rights?
He is a Gun Owner, PRO 2A, PRO RKBA
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Phil Angelides?!? You must mean Arnie.

The others who ran for Governor didn't count. I don't feed the Third Party monster by trying to make it sound like they do.

glockman, I was trying to get someone to wake up and think about what he was saying, that's why I posted questions. Whatever anyone might like to think, his state is probably not SO different from ours. I'm glad you posted the answers, though.

And I didn't want the thread closed; I did, however, want it to be productive, even for those who don't live in California. Because lots of states, with a little population shift here or there, and some gerrymandering thrown in, might vote in a Pelosi or even a Feinstein, too.

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I think it's important that we see what the larger fight is really about, and HonorsDaddy is absolutely right that it DOES impact our whole nation.
 
Wouldn't it make reloading illegal since you would then have a case with a second "altered" serial number on it?

I feel for those of you stuck there!

Also, can you imagine the PITA it's going to be to get a legal replacement firing pin?!?! Would have to drive up the price a lot.

Would it make the serial numbered parts the same as a reciever?

Sounds like a very foolish law to say the least!
 
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