Can anyone ID this gun

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  1. Mousegun

    Mousegun Member

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    Friend of mine is looking for information about this cap and ball. Can anyone let me know the specs. on it?
    Thanks for any information.
     

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  2. Sovblocgunfan

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    A remington 1858 of some flavor. I’m not well versed in all the detail differences between originals and modern reproductions, tho.
     
  3. DocRock

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    As Sovbloc notes, it's a Remington 1858 pattern. It looks odd in several ways: the loading lever shape is far from standard pattern, the grip looks odd, and the cylinder seems somehow strange. No visible markings. We need proof marks and makers mark to tell more. Sometimes under the loading lever on the barrel. It's a brasser, so if working would only be suitable for light loads.

    Is it allegedly functional? Without more information like markings, I would lean towards non-Italian replica and not necessarily functional or safe to fire.
     
  4. mnrivrat

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    It is certainly patterned from the Remington Model 1858 revolver but very much appears to be a modern reproduction. Brass frame has been treated, and the barrel browned, all in an attempt to make it look old.
     
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    I don't think that that's browning. It's a light layer of rust, resulting from years of neglect. The good news is that there doesn't seem to be much pitting. This needs a good bath with oil, and some going over with fine steel wool.
     
  6. entropy

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    Spiller & Burr reproduction.

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    Just like the one above the Bowie knife. It should be a .36.
     
  7. Carl N. Brown

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    I have one of the 1858 replica brass frame imports from Italy dated around the time of the Civil War Centennial in the 1960s.
    Brass frame indicates it is not an original Remington.
     
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  8. Malachi Leviticus Blue

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    It's not really a Spiller and Burr replica although it's got a brass frame like a Spiller and Burr.
    It's likely .44 cal and the frame is definitely modeled after a Remington 1858, but shouldn't be brass, so it's not all that great of an 1858 replica either.
    One things for sure, it's not an original antique revolver if there was any question about that.
     
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  9. expat_alaska

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    If it has no proof marks or date code, it is probably a kit gun. The date code will be in Roman numerals on the right side of the frame if it is 1974 or earlier, or alpha characters in a rectangle in the same location or on the bottom of the frame in front of the trigger guard if post-1974.

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  10. sean m

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    Pietta's used to have a more flared grip, looks like it might be one of those.
     
  11. Ephraim Kibbey

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    These are similar:
    Italian Reproduction Remington New Model Army 1858, Brass & Blue 7 3/4" Single Action Percussion Revolver 1978 Atf Antique .44 Caliber Ball For Sale at GunAuction.com - 14498054
    FIE / RIVA ESTERINA REMINGTON 1858 44 CAL. REVOLVER UNFIRED MADE IN 1974 - Black Powder Pistols & Muzzleloader Pistols at GunBroker.com : 883529531
    Note that, on your specimen, the number of barrel threads exposed by the frame cut out at the cylinder gap are very few. This is patterned after the Beals and Beals transitional frames of the originals. This style frame was found on early Uberti, Armi San Paolo and Armi San Marco replicas. All of the currently manufactured 1858 replicas that I have seen have more threads revealed by their frame cut out:
    https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/product/product_id/8735/category_id/321/product_name/RH0875++PIETTA+M1858+REMINGTON+TEXAS+REV+.44C
    1858 New Army | Pietta | 44 Cal | Black Powder | Replica | Mfg 1995 - Black Powder Pistols & Muzzleloader Pistols at GunBroker.com : 884877122
     
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  12. expat_alaska

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    Pietta 1851 Navies had the flared "tail" grip from ~2002 until 2014. Afterward they went to the blockier "more appropriate" grip style, what ever that may be.
     
  13. AABEN

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    You can check with Dixie Gun Works they are the that deals in black powder guns
     
  14. Bubba32

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    Somewhat looks like a Euroarms clone. Do some searching. They were also imported by Richland Arms back in the day. The trigger is more forward on these than say a Pietta or Uberti. Likely early to mid '70s. I have a steel frame one that was missing parts and found a gunsmith who could piece it back together. VERY heavy trigger spring on mine. If it is the same by chance, mine takes Uberti nipples just fine. Just check the length and clearance of them when capped so they aren't too close to the frame. Being brass framed makes it possibly a kit gun, but not necessarily guaranteed. But...as a brass frame keep the loads on the light side and it will last much longer (not shoot loose). Say 20 grains 3f. Take time and learn how to properly clean these if you don't know. Youtube is your friend!

    Mine is actually stamped 1859 Remington New Army. Don't know if they were trying to avoid a lawsuit? Mine is a .44. Only other stamping is "Made in Italy".
     
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  15. kBob

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    Is that a .44 or a .36?

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