Can Magnum P.I. Replace Moses?

[SaintofKillers]

Well said Biker.

I guess I fall into the "loon" category as well. Didnt Thomas Jefferson wear a ponytail??

Ted is what I long for in a politcian, someone that truly speaks from the heart.

 

[dracphelan]

Depending on who they are talking to, both Tom Selleck and Ted Nugent are good spokesmen. However, as an image to be presented to the non-aligned public, Tom Selleck is the better choice. Despite wishes to the contrary, image/presentation has a lot to do with the success of the message. I love Ted Nugents message (pro-hunting, pro-RKBA, anti-drug). However, his in your face presentation would not sell (possibly turn away) with the majority of the non-aligned portions of the US population. Tom Selleck's clean cut, soft spoken image will sell to more people.
Though, if I had to choose someone to fire up RKBA supporters, I would choose Ted Nugent. He can be much more passionate. Then, after Ted Nugent spoke, I would follow up with Tom Selleck.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

What about all the outrageous lies anti-gunners make up? What about all the outrageous things they say and get away with? I think the pro gun side has become too politically correct. We're so afraid of alienating people. I think it's time we stopped being afraid of that and got in the anti-gun people's faces. I like Selleck but I would definitely support Nuge 100%. I think he's exactly the type we need. It's time we stopped being so concerned about projecting a politically correct image and started confronting these anti-gun jerks head on.

As for his out of wedlock baby, what about all of the junk like that anti-gun politicians do? That's not even an issue AFAIC where the gun issues fall.

 

[MK11]

It answers why he's considered a hypocrite (as Rush and Newt are too). Whether you still support him or think it has any relevance is up to you.

 

[beerslurpy]

The antis seem to have a much harder time dismissing Tom Selleck as a loon. He gave Rosie O Donnel a really tough time and actually trapped her into admitting that the founders did want americans to own military type weapons. I was impressed. At least I think it was Tom Selleck- it was a while back.

The Nuge is just too much like a cartoon caricature of a redneck to do anything but harden people's notion of gun owners as a bunch of hayseeds that kill cute animals and drive trucks with gun racks. When someone says "NRA" I shouldnt hear dueling banjos in the back of my mind.

Mind you, I have nothing against rural folks. You guys keep gun ownership alive when all else fails, but you arent the people we need to reach. Preaching to the choir is a waste of time IMO.

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

It's all about winning over the fence-sitters!

I'm sure Ted is a great guy, I appreciate his openness, etc, but will he be effective at winning over fence-sitters? Or would Tom be more effective? If the answer isn't obvious to you, then I will not even waste time trying to explain.

 

[Autolycus]

Ted Nugent is a hypocrite because he is always talking about how people need to serve the United States and yet he is a draft dodger. And as someone stated he is a staunch supporter of family values. But yet he cannot be expected to do that as well.

From Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent :

Nugent fathered a child out of wedlock in 1995, with a Dover, New Hampshire woman, Karen Gutowski, with whom he had a "brief relationship" during his second marriage to Shemane Nugent. He and Gutowski came to an agreement on child support and visitation in late June. (Source: June 22, Laconia, N.H. The Citizen.) The newspaper reported that Nugent will pay Gutowski $3,500 monthly in child support, and she will have sole custody of their son, now 10. Terms of Nugent's visitation were not disclosed.

Gutowski later sued Nugent for more money. He was served with the lawsuit September 5, 2004 when he played at the Meadowbrook Amphitheater in Gilford, N.H. with ZZ Top. (Source: June 22, The Citzen).

In the December 15, 1990 issue of the Detroit Free Press Magazine, Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." In a 2006 interview published in the Online Independent UK, Nugent denies ever saying (or doing) that. According to Nugent, he enrolled at Oakland Community College and took a student deferment.

 

[Cosmoline]

Yeah, like I said let's try to stay away from attacking TN. We all know the dirt and the stupid things he's said. I respect him as a devout gunsel and as and musician, but a spokesman he ain't!

 

[pharmer]

Without a doubt, Tom Selleck would advance our cause 1000% more than Ted. No slight against the Nuge but if you saw the exchange between Tom and fatass Rosie O doughnuts, you could not help but be impressed. She needed bitchslappin' (an oxymoron) but he just stayed cool and held his ground and temper. He gets my vote. Joe

 

[Biker]

Tecumseh...

I supect Ted was telling another of his outrageous, hyperbolic stories for shock effect concerning his draft dodging, if he indeed told it at all, but it is a fact that Cheney applied for and recieved 5 deferments. *That* is on record, unlike Ted's supposed BS story. How does this make Cheney look as a representitive of the USA?
What say you? Hmmmm?

Biker

 

[Autolycus]

I would say Ted is a hypocrite as he is always talking about serving the country yet he did not do it. I would also say that the VP is not much better either.

 

[Biker]

I don't want to drift too far, but many men promote serving their country but few actually do, as far as joining the military. Are they all hypocrites? Why would Cheney, who was at least partly responsible for initiating two wars - whether they be judged worthy of our sacrifice or not - be "not much" better than Nugent when he applied for and recieved five deferments? Why would he be any better at all given his position?
A fair question...

Biker

 

[Kim]

I hope Tom will do the job. He would be great. I have hoped he would do this for sometime. Women will love him. Guys like him. Who could not like Quigley. One of the best movies ever made. I watch it once a year. It is a classic.

 

[EVIL5LITER]

Hunting with that 1886 just put him another notch higher on my respect chart, for sure.

As for Uncle Ted, I like him, but I do not want him to be a spokesperson for the gun movement. The last thing we need to do is to put someone in power to confirm the stereotypes about gun owners.

 

[motoman]

Tom Seleck has my vote, nothing against Ted Nuggent, but Tom has broader appeal and would be a benefit to our "cause".

 

[Autolycus]

Well Ted Nugent has critisized the French for being cowards and yet he is one. HE says they run from a fight and things of those lines yet he did as well. Its just a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Cheney was involved in starting wars but he does not call you a coward if you fight or you dont fight. I dont think many presidents or vice presidents have been in the service. However most people who start wars dont critisize the French for being cowards and not fighting in public as Nugent has done when they themselves have not done it either.

The big difference is one is a politician so you can assume he is a hypocrite right off the bat and the other is a musician so you can give them the benefit of the doubt (though you will probably be wrong).

 

[Ryder]

I like the way Ted speaks. I like the fact there are people who don't like what he says and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. But then there's that little thing about a man only being only as good as his word.

He said something about running for Govenorship in Michigan just before he moved to Texas. I was thinking don't blink or you'll miss him. Well our sorry excuse of a Govenor's race is well underway here now. Somebody must have blinked. Where's Ted?

IMO

He does what he does for fun. Nothing wrong with that. It's a great motivational factor in almost everythiing I do too but service to the country is about sacrifice. I don't see that level of dead serious dedication in him. If things get too complicated what's to stop him from walking?

 

[280PLUS]

Oh, you guys were being SERIOUS...

One thing about the Nuge is he turns off too many of the straight laced antis with his rough and tough approach. Sticking his love of raw meat in their faces may not be the best approach. So I guess I'd have to go with Selleck. Besides, with all his gun talk Nugent can't shoot worth a **** and that just annoys me.

 

[progunner1957]

Well, Ted's heart may be in the right place, but his mouth often doesn't make it there.

Exactly. Ted is not "extreme" or "radical" - he is serious about our right to arms, as all of us should be.

Regarding Ted, the fly in the ointment is the way he presents himself - not the pony tail, not the hunting and killing of poor defensless Bambi, but the wild-eyed "Shiite" presentation of himself regarding our right to arms. Not the way to influence the fence-sitters and gain new members for the NRA and new supporters for our cause.

It's all about new members, new money with which to battle the gun grabbers, more influence and more credibility for the NRA and the gun rights movement in general, it seems to me.

Tom Selleck or Ted Nugent - who would have more influence and credibility with the working, conservative guy, the midlevel manager, the doctor, the accountant, the attorney, the teacher, the minister, the nurse, the small businessperson or the single parent who has a handgun and a box of ammo tucked away in his or her dresser drawer "just in case?"

These are the people we need to win over - and there are tens of millions of them out there.

I like Ted, I agree with him 100% on our right to arms, but IMHO Tom Selleck is the right man for the job - even with his

80's porn star 'stache

which is totally irrelevant and has evolved into a goatee these days (FYI, Biker).

 

[Biker]

Goatee? When did that happen? Irrelevant, true, but I was grasping at straws, trying to "Rove" my candidate into office. Guess I should stick with bikes, guns, guitars and brew.

Biker

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

Re: " you have to admit Ted is a loon."

Reminds me of the lines in the movie The Commitments where the band manager says he is going to hire a local as bouncer

"'E's a bloody animal!"

"Yeah, but e's our animal."

 

[Bubbles]

Thanks to GOA I attended a class at The Leadership Institute on public speaking, including a segment on how to do television interviews. Sad to say, but the average-joe's impression of a "talking head" is based about 65% of how the talking head looks, and only 35% on how the spokesperson sounds and the message s/he is trying to present.

Why do you think reporters, most of whom are admitted anti's, will single out the camo-clad beer-bellied middle-aged ugly-as-sin balding guy at a gun show to get a "quote" for a story about guns. They don't want his quote. They want to put him on tv as the poster-child of the average gun owner so that Sally Soccermom at home goes "Ewwwww, YUCK!" while she's watching the 5:00 news.

As another an example, look at FOX news. Yes, they've got a reputation for being unbiased, or at least, if a reporter is biased, the viewers know it up front. That's not why they get great ratings. FOX gets the ratings because, for the most part, their reporters and/or news readers are drop-dead gorgeous people who attract and hold a viewer's attention.

Don't believe me? Try this experiment sometime. Turn on FOX news without the sound and watch it for a while. Do the same with CNN or MSNBC. Which attracts you more?

The next NRA president will be the "face" of the NRA. Tom Selleck will attract more of the mushy middle/exurban mom gun owners than Ted Nugent will. It's just human nature.

 

[XDKingslayer]

Tom Selleck is more appealing to who? 80's housewives?

That's the problem with the NRA, they are too worried about looking good and you guys are too worried about your NRA rep appealling to the masses.

I don't know how many times I need to say it, I don't care who you elect as the NRA Pres, I don't care how nice a person you are, I don't care how much of a responcible gun owner you try to be, you will never change the opinions of the antis. They hate you because you own guns. Period.

You are foolish if you think Tom Selleck will represent you better than Ted Nugent. It doesn't matter who represents you they hate you because you have guns, you want guns, and you want to protect your right to guns. Everything else about you and your peers has absolutely no bearing on the subject to them.

You'd think you all would have learned that after an astute, respected, accomplished actor was voted as president. The antis didn't crawl away, cower with fear, and give up when Heston was tapped did they? NO. They didn't. And it's not going to happen with Selleck either.

Maybe it's time for a loud mouthed, egotistical jerk to represent you. Fight fire with fire.

 

[USMC - Retired]

XD,
I both agree and disagree with you. You are correct that there is no way we can change the minds of the anti's just like there is no way that they could change ours. BUT,[rant on] here's the real deal. My best guess would be that roughly 10 percent of Americans fall into the "Anti" group. And about 10 percent fall into the active RKBA group. It's that 80 percent that aint really sure what to think that we need to be concerned with, and although I repect Ted's views and out spoken attitude, I also know that to win the hearts and minds of that 80 percent of confused folks we need a more refined approach. I think Tom could serve in that role very well but that is entirely up to him and I don't recall ever seeing anything to indicate that either of the two had been asked or were considering the posistion. More importantly though, is the action that each of us takes. We ALL need to be active in the fight. Call and write your congressman and representatives. Get friends to join the NRA, even the ones that don't shoot every weekend or may not even own a gun yet. Get active with a local 4-H shooting team or a Scouting groups shooting program. There are literally thousands of ways to get involved and make a difference but the key is to DO it, not just talk about it. We can put whatever face we want on the president of the NRA and it won't change a thing unless we all get off our collective butts and help the NRA help us! [/rant off]

 

[tellner]

While actors in politics may be the culmination of a TV and media-saturated country it doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure, they make great spokespeople when you need to press the flesh and make statements in front of the camera. But choosing someone as President specifically because he's an actor, albeit one who shares a few of one's political views? It's a nation that needs statesmen and skilled professionals, not a photogenic figurehead. We'd be better off with a British-style monarchy where everyone reveres the ruler, but the real work of governing is done someone else.