can movie theatres legally do this?
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The law varies I'm sure from state to state.
But, being of libertarian bent my views on property rights are that they own the theater they can allow or not allow anything they want in it. I would based on this not carry there. Of course I would also find a theater that allows carry and give them my money, but I wouldn't violate their property rights to carry there.
But, being of libertarian bent my views on property rights are that they own the theater they can allow or not allow anything they want in it. I would based on this not carry there. Of course I would also find a theater that allows carry and give them my money, but I wouldn't violate their property rights to carry there.
Yes, the movie theater can but a lot of CCWers will disagree and say "concealed means concealed" "I carry wherever I want to because my right to self-defense trumps property owner's rights" even though those stuck up ol gun snobs can choose just to not go in a place marked "No Guns".
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The Bushmaster
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The type of people that The Real Mags has discribed are the ones that give us gun people a bad name. The fact that they show no respect for others and their property indicates that they should NOT have the right to carry...If the property owner says he doesn't want you to carry in his home or establishment, you either leave your gun at home or in your car or don't spend your money there or visit them...
Full Metal Jacket
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here in MI you can't carry a gun in a place that has the capacity to hold 2,000 or more people. like big movie theaters, football/baseball games etc.
not sure about the logic, doesn't make any sense to me.
not sure about the logic, doesn't make any sense to me.
zignal_zero
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Skillet -
state laws vary, but for the most part you can make whatever rules you want if it's your business. however, carrying in one of these places is (in my state) simply a violation of their policy, not a criminal act.
i'm sure i have missed plenty of signs, i'm hurrying alot and don't always take time to read every sign.
state laws vary, but for the most part you can make whatever rules you want if it's your business. however, carrying in one of these places is (in my state) simply a violation of their policy, not a criminal act.
i'm sure i have missed plenty of signs, i'm hurrying alot and don't always take time to read every sign.
Some states allow property owners to post "no guns" signs. Texas law requires the sign to be of a specific size and lettering. Arkansas law requires the sign to use the exact wordage in the law. Other states may be similar or simply allow the posting of a general sign.
If the law allows such posting, you would be in violation of the law by carrying in defiance of it. Penalties may vary from trespassing to perhaps felony counts. Check your state laws and decide what you want to do. I do not carry where unlawful.
If the law allows such posting, you would be in violation of the law by carrying in defiance of it. Penalties may vary from trespassing to perhaps felony counts. Check your state laws and decide what you want to do. I do not carry where unlawful.
mljdeckard
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Because trespassing and carrying a gun are two different things.
In Utah, only the state decides where carrying a gun is prohibited, not private business owners. Business owners have no authority to dictate this to anyone. "No firearms" signs in places other than those specified in the law hold no force of law.
A business may refuse service to anyone. But if they refuse service and ask you to leave because they suspect you are carrying a gun, and you refuse, you are guilty of trespassing, not carrying a concealed weapon.
Learn the laws in your state.
In Utah, only the state decides where carrying a gun is prohibited, not private business owners. Business owners have no authority to dictate this to anyone. "No firearms" signs in places other than those specified in the law hold no force of law.
A business may refuse service to anyone. But if they refuse service and ask you to leave because they suspect you are carrying a gun, and you refuse, you are guilty of trespassing, not carrying a concealed weapon.
Learn the laws in your state.
carbuncle
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I've never noticed a sign on any theaters in my home range, certainly don't plan on asking management what their policy is...
sv51macross
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Full Metal Jacket, there is a loophole in MI law that let's you OC in pistol-free zones as long as you have a CPL.
Keep in mind that many state laws allow you to carry in public places like the movie theater, but the movie theater still has the right to not allow it. That may not mean you broke a criminal law being there, it just means they can kick you out.
Be sure to check and follow all the laws in your area
Be sure to check and follow all the laws in your area
DeepSouth
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It is not illegal to go into a place of business with no shirt or shoes on if they have a "No shirt, no shoes" sign, sure they have the right not to server you (as they should) but it is not illegal, like trespassing is.
A business owner should have the right to refuse someone service for violating their 'rules' but it isn't illegal.
here is a question:
What other Constitutional right can a business owner strip you from with a sign?
Simply put it's not a trespassing issue, it is not even a legal issue (IMO) it IS a moral issue......To respect another's wishes while on their property, or not.
2¢ from a "Stuck up ol gun snob"
DeepSouth
A business owner should have the right to refuse someone service for violating their 'rules' but it isn't illegal.
here is a question:
What other Constitutional right can a business owner strip you from with a sign?
Simply put it's not a trespassing issue, it is not even a legal issue (IMO) it IS a moral issue......To respect another's wishes while on their property, or not.
2¢ from a "Stuck up ol gun snob"
DeepSouth
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If they asked you to leave, sure you would be, but that is not the issue.
Isn't the sign stating their stance on guns on their premises? So in a way asking you to leave? It is not about the gun it is about them asking you to leave. Although in some states some misdemeanor charges such as trespassing will get trumped up to felony charges if commited with the poessesion of a firearm.
I go by state law. There are far too many signs up to stop and read them all. As far as shoes and shirts go, they are visual issues, usually to keep out the beachcomber or under dressed, guns are concealed in my state. We have discussed this issue many times and the search feature can be your friend. If you aren't allowed by law that's one thing, but any idiot can put up a sign anyware they please, so how is a person to know who put the sign up, and if it is the wish of the owner.
I sure don't give a hoot about what 17 year old manager thinks about my rights, do you?
If the law says no that's one thing, but a sign can be put up by anyone.
Winn Dixie had a "no handgun" sign down in Boca about 12 years ago, they had to remove it. The State told them they had no legal way to enforce it. Again it depends on where you live.
I sure don't give a hoot about what 17 year old manager thinks about my rights, do you?
If the law says no that's one thing, but a sign can be put up by anyone.
Winn Dixie had a "no handgun" sign down in Boca about 12 years ago, they had to remove it. The State told them they had no legal way to enforce it. Again it depends on where you live.
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Normally yes, but not always, sometimes it is just a formality for an Insurance Co. and the owner doesn't really care.
Nope
Which they never did.
I think the law would back me up here.
Oh Jesus - not again. Nobody is gonna agree on this topic - one side will infer the other side is a bunch of nancy boys and the other side will say the other side is somehow being less patriotic, moral, bla bla bla.
Me? I'll carry anywhere not prohibited by law. If somebody has put up a sign that says "No Guns" and that sign doesn't have the force of law, I'll carry if I please (now, honestly, I'd vote with my pocketbook and go elsewhere... but for the sake of the discussion...).
Quite frankly it's not up to some shopkeep to decide whether I get to carry or not.
Me? I'll carry anywhere not prohibited by law. If somebody has put up a sign that says "No Guns" and that sign doesn't have the force of law, I'll carry if I please (now, honestly, I'd vote with my pocketbook and go elsewhere... but for the sake of the discussion...).
Quite frankly it's not up to some shopkeep to decide whether I get to carry or not.
sheepdog
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...in Texas...
...if the property or business owner orally advises you or legally posts the required signage...and you choose to ignore it...
...it IS trespass....a specific type that pertains to those of us legally carrying guns...
...it IS criminal....
...it can get you a criminal record, jail time, and loss of your permit...
...more effective than ignoring it is to vote with your wallet and TELL THEM why you won't spend your money there...we've seen signs come down when sales fell....advise the local manager in a manner-of-fact method AND corporate...it may change things....
...if the property or business owner orally advises you or legally posts the required signage...and you choose to ignore it...
...it IS trespass....a specific type that pertains to those of us legally carrying guns...
...it IS criminal....
...it can get you a criminal record, jail time, and loss of your permit...
...more effective than ignoring it is to vote with your wallet and TELL THEM why you won't spend your money there...we've seen signs come down when sales fell....advise the local manager in a manner-of-fact method AND corporate...it may change things....
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