Can someone tell me which gun part pushes a round out from chamber?

[efeng9622]

For example, Sig Sauer 1911-22, When I pull the slide, there is a round will jump out from chamber, or sometimes it is not out, I wonder if there is a gun part pushes or extract the round out. if the answer is yes , why didn't it happen all the time and I have to manually take the round out sometimes?
Thanks.

 

[drobs]

Semi-auto pistols (in general) have an extractor that pulls the shell out of the chamber and an ejector that ejects it out of the ejection port.

When manually extracting a cartridge, live or fired, it's best to briskly work the slide after removing the magazine.

 

[Steve in Allentown]

For example, Sig Sauer 1911-22, When I pull the slide, there is a round will jump out from chamber, or sometimes it is not out, I wonder if there is a gun part pushes or extract the round out. if the answer is yes , why didn't it happen all the time and I have to manually take the round out sometimes?
Thanks.

The part is called "extractor". Essentially it is a hook that engages the case rim and pulls the fired case or unfired cartridge out of the chamber. The first thing for you to do is to remove the extractor from the slide and thoroughly clean it and the channel in which it fits. .22 ammo can be very dirty which can gum up extractor function.

If cleaning doesn't fix the problem, installing a new extractor and/or dropping in a new extractor spring may be the cure. I assume SIG uses and external extractor that is powered by a coil spring.

 

[Steve in Allentown]

Here are some links that may be of interest to the OP.

https://www.sigtalk.com/

https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/shop/firearm-parts/gsg-sig-1911-22/

https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/shop/firearm-parts/gsg-sig-1911-22/gsg-1911-22-tool-steel-extractor

 

[jar]

Also when a human pulls the slide they are so slow that the extractor can slip off the cartridge.

Are you getting failure to eject when shooting the pistol?

 

[efeng9622]

Also when a human pulls the slide they are so slow that the extractor can slip off the cartridge.

Are you getting failure to eject when shooting the pistol?

yes, sometimes getting failure to eject ,I had to use my hand or other tool to take out it.

 

[jar]

Does the Sig have an extractor? Quite a few 22 pistols do not and with those what you see is not unusual when there is a misfire. The Beretta 21 and Taurus PT22 are examples. They rely on recoil to extract the empty casing.

 

[efeng9622]

Does the Sig have an extractor? Quite a few 22 pistols do not and with those what you see is not unusual when there is a misfire. The Beretta 21 and Taurus PT22 are examples. They rely on recoil to extract the empty casing.

Yes, Sig sauer have the extractor and ejector both.

 

[CapnMac]

Looks like they are sensitive to ammo, which is a complicated thing with 22LR ammo, as the quality for that ammo is all over the place, no matter the label nor the price tag.

From SigTalk:
https://www.sigtalk.com/threads/sig-gsg-1911-22-lr-ejection-issues.277417/#post-3843337

Looks like the pistols are GSG-made, with a number of Tradenames prefixed. I found Walther, Mouser, and Colt all used, along with Sig. Whic hprobably causes the Customer Service departments no small amount of confusion.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Looks like they are sensitive to ammo, which is a complicated thing with 22LR ammo, as the quality for that ammo is all over the place, no matter the label nor the price tag.

Looks like the pistols are GSG-made

Try it with CCI MiniMags. If it won't function with those, it is definatley a mechanical issue

 

[sparkyv]

I learned something new today!

Does the Sig have an extractor? Quite a few 22 pistols do not and with those what you see is not unusual when there is a misfire. The Beretta 21 and Taurus PT22 are examples. They rely on recoil to extract the empty casing.

 

[Riomouse911]

Try it with CCI MiniMags. If it won't function with those, it is definatley a mechanical issue

Weeeeellll normally I would agree 100% with Mini Mags, but my last batch of Mini Mags was sprinkled with lots of rounds that were definitely underpowered. I shot the last 150 of them today in a Glock 44 and Ruger Mk IV. I still had one or two FTE, numerous rounds with weak ejection, smoke from the chambers and even got some powder blowback from the Glock. Cases that were suspect were also sooty, so it seems pressure wasn’t high enough to properly seal the chamber upon firing. I hope this experience is an anomaly caused by a bad batch, I would hate for the reputation of Mini Mags to sink to the Auto Match or Thunderbolt level of consistency.

OP, another issue can be slightly oversized cases that get stuck in chambers when fired. I really notice this with revolvers when trying to shuck 6 to 10 empties at a time from the cylinder.

It can happen, I can think of 5/6 different manufacturers that have had the oversized case issue over the past few years. In fact, a guy shooting a Buckmark next to me today had this issue with a few of the rounds he was shooting. (I didn’t catch the brand.) His gun’s extractor slipped over the rim of the fat case, leaving it stuck in the chamber well enough to require a knife blade to pry it out.

Good luck!

Stay safe.

 

[Riomouse911]

I learned something new today!

My Beretta Jetfire .25 Auto had the tip-up barrel and didn’t have an extractor either.

Stay safe.

 

[sparkyv]

Wow. But I guess even CCI workers can have a rare off day, from time to time. I would have considered contacting CCI about this.

Weeeeellll normally I would agree 100% with Mini Mags, but my last batch of Mini Mags was sprinkled with lots of rounds that were definitely underpowered.

 

[Riomouse911]

Wow. But I guess even CCI workers can have a rare off day, from time to time. I would have considered contacting CCI about this.

Im done with that 500 i bought, if the next batch acts up i will reach out to CCI.

Stay safe.

 

[Palladan44]

Manually cycling is relying on the extractor to pull the case out and the ejector to use its relative motion to push the case sideways and out.

When actually fired, the case pushes its own way out and then hits the extractor at a much higher speed than when manually cycling.

Quick side story, One on my Glock 17s locks up if you try to cycle a live round from the chamber when there's a magazine inserted that also contains rounds. The case head from the chambered round gets caught on the case mouth of the next round in the top of the magazine. So if I ever had a ftf and have to Rack n bang...it wouldn't work so well.

 

[JohnKSa]

yes, sometimes getting failure to eject ,I had to use my hand or other tool to take out it.

Is this happening while actually shooting, or is this happening when you are manually pulling back the slide?

Extraction/ejection is meant to happen primarily with empty cases and depends on the velocity of the slide from the firing process to insure proper function.

Ejecting live rounds manually may not give you great results.

You need to assess the function of the firearm while actually shooting the gun.

 

[Dan-O]

Semi automatic firearms are meant to be shot, not manually cycled.

 

[Palladan44]

I mean, semi automatics should be engineered to successfully do both manually cycle and eject spent cases.
FTFs need to be able to be dealt with quickly and safely.

 

[Palladan44]

For example, Sig Sauer 1911-22, When I pull the slide, there is a round will jump out from chamber, or sometimes it is not out, I wonder if there is a gun part pushes or extract the round out. if the answer is yes , why didn't it happen all the time and I have to manually take the round out sometimes?
Thanks.

Rimless semi auto cartridges typically are more robust brass that slide up from underneath into a rigid extractor and lock in quite snugly. Let's call it the "Browning" system.
.22s typically have an extractor that's looser yet still spring loaded and snap over the rimmed cartridge from behind.
This system of snapping over the rim can just as easily snap back off the rim. In a semi automatic pistol, .22s just are not as reliable in cycling due to the cartridge design. Unless you have the straight up "blowback" design where there is no extractor at all. Example: Beretta 950s, Jetfire, Bobcats, etc.
These are quite reliable, however you never can manually cycle them. Only tip up the barrel, dump the round, then put another into battery.