Can you hold the slide closed while firing?
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Double Naught Spy
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Holding the slide is a good way to not allow an aggressor with whom you are struggling be able to get off a second shot should he manage to fire while you hold the slide. No doubt this is not the safest thing to practice, but the injury potential is not from a gunshot wound. Like so many other types of preparedness training, doing something once and knowing what it takes should you need to do it in the future can be really beneficial. People tend not to try new or innovative techniques during an actual struggle/combat situation. If you don't know you can do it, then more than likely you won't try to do it in combat.
As for the injuries people have suffered, if you hold the slide tight enough, then it should not move. If you don't hold tight enough, then it moves and the front sight digs into your hand or fingers.
I have done the drill a couple of times. It isn't pleasant as you will definitely feel some sting, but not enough to not be able to use your hand. As near as I can equate it, it sort of felt like slapping concrete a little too hard with an open hand.
As for the injuries people have suffered, if you hold the slide tight enough, then it should not move. If you don't hold tight enough, then it moves and the front sight digs into your hand or fingers.
I have done the drill a couple of times. It isn't pleasant as you will definitely feel some sting, but not enough to not be able to use your hand. As near as I can equate it, it sort of felt like slapping concrete a little too hard with an open hand.
jthuang
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KelBench, I see you're a fellow Pennsylvanian. If you're in my neck of the woods, I'd be happy to demonstrate it. Not unsafe at all if done correctly -- and as DoubleNaughtSpy pointed out, it can be a useful tactic in your arsenal.
Or, if you're inclined, Insights comes to Harrisburg PA to teach their CQC course. In that case, you can experience it first-hand from the pros.
Justin
Or, if you're inclined, Insights comes to Harrisburg PA to teach their CQC course. In that case, you can experience it first-hand from the pros.
Justin
KelBench400
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Justin,
I'm just north of Allentown. Although, I'm not sure I want to actually try this.
I am looking at signing myself and my girlfriend up for some training though. She is thinking about getting her CCW this summer, and I would feel much better if she was trained. Do you have a link for the Insights training? Is it a weekend? It might make for a nice short weekend trip.
Thanks,
Kel
I'm just north of Allentown. Although, I'm not sure I want to actually try this.
I am looking at signing myself and my girlfriend up for some training though. She is thinking about getting her CCW this summer, and I would feel much better if she was trained. Do you have a link for the Insights training? Is it a weekend? It might make for a nice short weekend trip.
Thanks,
Kel
Sven
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Wow - you learn something every day. I never would have thought. Not that I'll try, thanks. But, nice to know.
How many bad guys know how to 'tap rack bang'? Probably not very many.
How many bad guys know how to 'tap rack bang'? Probably not very many.
jthuang
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Kel -
Link: http://www.insightstraining.com
I have taken several of their courses. Top-notch training from very skilled individuals.
Unfortunately, CQC is a week-long course. But they have some very good two and three day classes that can make for a very fun and informative weekend. The range features two shoothouses and one 360 degree range.
But even better --
If you are near Allentown, you don't have to go as far as Harrisburg. Easton Fish & Game (just down 22) hosts many quality trainers, such as Trident Concepts (tridentconcepts.net), Firearms Research and Instruction ("FRI") and Walt Rauch's school (I forget the name). From April through October, you can also shoot IDPA there. Check out the website at http://www.eastontacticalops.com
Justin
Link: http://www.insightstraining.com
I have taken several of their courses. Top-notch training from very skilled individuals.
Unfortunately, CQC is a week-long course. But they have some very good two and three day classes that can make for a very fun and informative weekend. The range features two shoothouses and one 360 degree range.
But even better --
If you are near Allentown, you don't have to go as far as Harrisburg. Easton Fish & Game (just down 22) hosts many quality trainers, such as Trident Concepts (tridentconcepts.net), Firearms Research and Instruction ("FRI") and Walt Rauch's school (I forget the name). From April through October, you can also shoot IDPA there. Check out the website at http://www.eastontacticalops.com
Justin
KelBench400
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Justin,
Thanks very much for those links. I know right where Easton Fish and Game is. That wouldn't be too bad at all.
-Kel
Thanks very much for those links. I know right where Easton Fish and Game is. That wouldn't be too bad at all.
-Kel
Cool to see more Pa. guys here. A buddy of mine inadvertantly held the slide forward on my P-11 with his palm while practicing speedrocks. The bottom corners of the slide punched two small but suprisingly bloody holes in his palm and stovepiped the gun. I can see how it could work on a gun with a heavier slide and a big flat area in back (like a Glock) though,especially in mild calibers. Anyone care to try it with my 10mm Witness loaded with 180gr. Corbons? 
Marcus
A buddy of mine inadvertantly held the slide forward on my P-11 with his palm while practicing speedrocks. The bottom corners of the slide punched two small but suprisingly bloody holes in his palm and stovepiped the gun. I can see how it could work on a gun with a heavier slide and a big flat area in back (like a Glock) though,especially in mild calibers. Anyone care to try it with my 10mm Witness loaded with 180gr. Corbons? Marcusigor
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Preventing the slide of an autoloader from cycling was taught in a krav maga seminar I took some 10 years ago... the situation was handgun retention where you were the in the receiving end 
and the idea was to fire the adversary's gun past yourself, prevent it from loading and gain an extra .02 of a second to follow up. Struggling for a revolver they taught gripping the cylinder to prevent it from rotating, thus not letting the weapon fire at all.
You should have seen the hand grenade gripping drills, though.
and the idea was to fire the adversary's gun past yourself, prevent it from loading and gain an extra .02 of a second to follow up. Struggling for a revolver they taught gripping the cylinder to prevent it from rotating, thus not letting the weapon fire at all. You should have seen the hand grenade gripping drills, though.
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