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Either run the EOTech, the EOTech with a magnifier, or the scope. It makes no sense to run the scope and EOTech together.
Can you magnify an eotech with a regular scope?
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Tested my Eotech with a 3-9x40 Bushnell Elite, and I really liked the two together. The red dot drops exactly 2 dots on the BDC when I go from 3x to 9x, so I will probably just zero the dot for 100 with it on 9x for now.
The 65MOA circle definitely gets bigger as the magnification increases, but the centre red dot stays exactly the same, actually it sharpens in a very positive way. Basically, it is almost as if it unclutters the Eotech reticle as I zoom in. Consistent with all of the videos you can see on youtube of people demo'ing their magnifiers with holo/Eotech sights.
It works perfectly well as far as clarity, however I am going to have to wait to see what it is like with the actual NCStar 3-9x, and get a rail riser for the Eotech (needs a half inch). Kind of curious to see what the blue reticle crosshairs (NCStar) and red dot with 65 MOA look like overlapped, haha, so I will definitely flip them both on at the same time once.
Couldn't help but think...if I could order a magnifier with a bullet drop compensator on it, would I prefer that option? The answer, for me, is 'yes'.
If it is terrible, I will send it back, and find something else in better quality but less than 8 inches long. That, or fab up a shell deflector.
I got some pictures, but it is always difficult to really capture the image. Believe me though, there is no issue with focus/clarity (didn't have to touch the focus dial once on the Bushnell). I had to turn the Eotech up a bit so that it would be more visible to the camera, other than that it is what it is...an Eotech balanced on the barrel of my .308 in front of its hunting scope.
Will post the pictures tomorrow from work (it's much easier than on this computer).
The 65MOA circle definitely gets bigger as the magnification increases, but the centre red dot stays exactly the same, actually it sharpens in a very positive way. Basically, it is almost as if it unclutters the Eotech reticle as I zoom in. Consistent with all of the videos you can see on youtube of people demo'ing their magnifiers with holo/Eotech sights.
It works perfectly well as far as clarity, however I am going to have to wait to see what it is like with the actual NCStar 3-9x, and get a rail riser for the Eotech (needs a half inch). Kind of curious to see what the blue reticle crosshairs (NCStar) and red dot with 65 MOA look like overlapped, haha, so I will definitely flip them both on at the same time once.
Couldn't help but think...if I could order a magnifier with a bullet drop compensator on it, would I prefer that option? The answer, for me, is 'yes'.
If it is terrible, I will send it back, and find something else in better quality but less than 8 inches long. That, or fab up a shell deflector.
I got some pictures, but it is always difficult to really capture the image. Believe me though, there is no issue with focus/clarity (didn't have to touch the focus dial once on the Bushnell). I had to turn the Eotech up a bit so that it would be more visible to the camera, other than that it is what it is...an Eotech balanced on the barrel of my .308 in front of its hunting scope.
Will post the pictures tomorrow from work (it's much easier than on this computer).
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Samcade, thanks for the info, my situation is basically the same, remedied with the riser for the Eotech.
USAF, I suspect you are correct. It will simply be returned and I will try something else.
Justin, $550 for a magnifier hurts my ears. Just in principle.
Captains1911, I disagree. I see a lot of fun and potential to be had.
USAF, I suspect you are correct. It will simply be returned and I will try something else.
Justin, $550 for a magnifier hurts my ears. Just in principle.
Captains1911, I disagree. I see a lot of fun and potential to be had.
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Do you guys think these reviews are B.S.? This isn't where I ordered mine from, but there seems to be an overwhelmingly positive regard for this NCStar scope from the reviewers. If loctite is all I am going to need, I have no problem with that. However, I remain extremely suspect of this scope until I personally see and use it.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews...ber-armored-mark-iii-tactical-riflescope.html
http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews...ber-armored-mark-iii-tactical-riflescope.html
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Captains1911, I feel bad for not really answering your question properly (I felt like I kind of did already earlier in the thread). I can't co witness my iron sights with any existing red dot sight (the best I could do is with an Aimpoint, and it would be a 1/3 cowitness). It would be a major plus, to me, to have the 3-9x non illuminated reticle in case of complete loss of batteries or electronic failure. Have to keep the Eotech mounted because the majority of the time that I use this rig, it needs to be non magnified.
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Pics at 3x, 5x, and 9x
Here are the pictures. Keep in mind, again, that this is simply my Eotech balanced on the barrel of my .308 hunting rifle in front of a 3-9x40 Bushnell Elite. Final product will of course be mounted so that there is perfect, and level co-witnessing between the scope and my Eotech.
You can see that between 3x and 9x, the red dot drops from the 2nd mil dot (200 yards dot) to the 4th mil dot (400 yards dot). The reticle seems a bit bright, but that was dont intentionally to ensure it photographed well. I would, otherwise, have it turned down quite a bit; as per personal preference. Contrary to what the pictures may suggest, my eye saw perfect clarity (indifferent to if the Eotech was not there at all) in my sight picture. Pictures were taken with my iphone...which of course limits things a bit.
I don't mind the red dot dropping, as I will probably just zero it on 9x at 100 yards anyways. Suggestions as to other strategy? Maybe zero on 3x at 100 yards instead and let the two mil dot drop occur only when moving to full zoom for up to 300 yard shots?
I really liked the way the 65moa circle got a lot bigger when zooming in. It basically gets it out of the way for the long shot...perfect. And, as I am sure you can tell from the pictures, the red dot sharpens nicely (as mentioned in my previous post).
I definitely see this as a better way to magnify your eotech as it functions perfectly, gives you a huge selection of quality scopes (and in turn eye relief, tube length, magnification, quality of glass, etc) to choose from under $550, gives you a choice in reticle (cross hair, chevron, donut, bdc's, etc.), allows my eotech to remain scout mounted (I believe they should be as far forward mounted as possible when shooting), is still instantly removable for me via cantilever rail mount (designed to remain zero'd when slipped back on via one lever), and cost under $1000.
Potential disadvantages:
- if you choose to cluttered of a reticle, you may further crowd your sight picture.
- weight (altogether about 24oz, not as light as going with an acog or elcan ($1500-$2500 scopes), or bulk depending on your MO.
- loss of flip to side capability (relative to a magnifier)
- most rigs (ar's) would struggle to have the mounting room for both a scope and Eotech.
The 3-9x42 NCStar I am going to try out comes with a lifetime warranty, and is stated to be waterproof, fog proof, and "shock proof".
If the NCStar fails as expected, I will find the best scope possible for under $550 that is less than 8 inches long, and throw it on there instead.
Here are the pictures. Keep in mind, again, that this is simply my Eotech balanced on the barrel of my .308 hunting rifle in front of a 3-9x40 Bushnell Elite. Final product will of course be mounted so that there is perfect, and level co-witnessing between the scope and my Eotech.
You can see that between 3x and 9x, the red dot drops from the 2nd mil dot (200 yards dot) to the 4th mil dot (400 yards dot). The reticle seems a bit bright, but that was dont intentionally to ensure it photographed well. I would, otherwise, have it turned down quite a bit; as per personal preference. Contrary to what the pictures may suggest, my eye saw perfect clarity (indifferent to if the Eotech was not there at all) in my sight picture. Pictures were taken with my iphone...which of course limits things a bit.
I don't mind the red dot dropping, as I will probably just zero it on 9x at 100 yards anyways. Suggestions as to other strategy? Maybe zero on 3x at 100 yards instead and let the two mil dot drop occur only when moving to full zoom for up to 300 yard shots?
I really liked the way the 65moa circle got a lot bigger when zooming in. It basically gets it out of the way for the long shot...perfect. And, as I am sure you can tell from the pictures, the red dot sharpens nicely (as mentioned in my previous post).
I definitely see this as a better way to magnify your eotech as it functions perfectly, gives you a huge selection of quality scopes (and in turn eye relief, tube length, magnification, quality of glass, etc) to choose from under $550, gives you a choice in reticle (cross hair, chevron, donut, bdc's, etc.), allows my eotech to remain scout mounted (I believe they should be as far forward mounted as possible when shooting), is still instantly removable for me via cantilever rail mount (designed to remain zero'd when slipped back on via one lever), and cost under $1000.
Potential disadvantages:
- if you choose to cluttered of a reticle, you may further crowd your sight picture.
- weight (altogether about 24oz, not as light as going with an acog or elcan ($1500-$2500 scopes), or bulk depending on your MO.
- loss of flip to side capability (relative to a magnifier)
- most rigs (ar's) would struggle to have the mounting room for both a scope and Eotech.
The 3-9x42 NCStar I am going to try out comes with a lifetime warranty, and is stated to be waterproof, fog proof, and "shock proof".
If the NCStar fails as expected, I will find the best scope possible for under $550 that is less than 8 inches long, and throw it on there instead.
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By the way, do any of you know of any other makers of compact scopes (<9 inches length)? I would really like it to go up to 9x, but would settle for 6x if need be.
So far, I am aware of:
- Acog (expensive $1500+)
- Elcan (expensive $2000+)
- NCStar (questionable quality, cheap ~$200)
- Leapers / Accushot (questionable quality, cheap ~$100)
- UTG (questionable quality, cheap ~$100)
- Osprey (japanese glass, reviews are poor, and too much eye relief, ~$160)
and the one that is one deck for me right now (in case of NCStar dissatisfaction): the Burris AR-536...5x fixed prism for ~$400.
So far, I am aware of:
- Acog (expensive $1500+)
- Elcan (expensive $2000+)
- NCStar (questionable quality, cheap ~$200)
- Leapers / Accushot (questionable quality, cheap ~$100)
- UTG (questionable quality, cheap ~$100)
- Osprey (japanese glass, reviews are poor, and too much eye relief, ~$160)
and the one that is one deck for me right now (in case of NCStar dissatisfaction): the Burris AR-536...5x fixed prism for ~$400.
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