I can attest to the problem with Remington Ammunition and sloppier accuracy and that's out of Remington firearms. I have my best accuracy with Federal and Hornady brands; Winchester is only slightly better than Remington in my rifles. I have witnessed others use Winchester with excellent results in their rifles, but everyone I know has looser groups when it comes to Remington ammunition.
Can you shoot an inch at 100 yards with a scope?
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Yea there are no iron sights on most modern bolt rifles. It really isn't an option.
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Another vote for the ammo. My experience with Remington has been so bad I refuse to use it in any caliber. I've had more duds, FTF and FTE, and more screwy results with it than any other ammo I've tried. If you said I had to choose between Remington and Wolf for use in my firearms, I'd take Wolf...and I'm really not a fan of Wolf either.
Out of the box, I started using Federal 168gr Match ammo in my Savage 10FCP. Here's the targets with an explanation of the shots, but basically under a half-inch.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=488324
Also, whatever ammo you use to sight in (even if you end up with good groups), if you switch ammo, you'll have to adjust again (though hopefully not much).
As I mention in my post, I also tried a box of Hornady TAP 168gr and it dropped 1.6 inches.
IMHO, if it is a precision rifle, feed it some precision ammo.
Out of the box, I started using Federal 168gr Match ammo in my Savage 10FCP. Here's the targets with an explanation of the shots, but basically under a half-inch.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=488324
Also, whatever ammo you use to sight in (even if you end up with good groups), if you switch ammo, you'll have to adjust again (though hopefully not much).
As I mention in my post, I also tried a box of Hornady TAP 168gr and it dropped 1.6 inches.
IMHO, if it is a precision rifle, feed it some precision ammo.
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rangerruck
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wow, you know I totally forgot about that; If you must start with a scope, do the same as above, just keep it close; 25 or 50 yards. Also bring a pencil with you, and mark the base, where it lines up with the receiver or bbl, and do the same with the scope rings, mark a line onto the scope, and also you can mark lines, from a couple of the screws, onto the rings or the scope.
if any of these move, 2 lines come apart, or turn, while you are shooting, you know one or more of these areas are loose. Once you are satisfied, everything is working right, then shoot for good groups, then move your distance to 100...
if any of these move, 2 lines come apart, or turn, while you are shooting, you know one or more of these areas are loose. Once you are satisfied, everything is working right, then shoot for good groups, then move your distance to 100...
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The differences from one manufacturer to another as to what specific components are used in their ammo will affect the harmonics of a barrel. No way to tell ahead of time what works well and what doesn't. It's strictly a cut-and-try deal.
Assuming proper assembly of scope mounts and proper sand-bagging at the bench, the only real variable for a skilled shooter is the ammo's harmonics.
Assuming proper assembly of scope mounts and proper sand-bagging at the bench, the only real variable for a skilled shooter is the ammo's harmonics.
sonier
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theres no way you can shoot a elk with iron sights at 450 yards at least not for me so a scope is only way to go out here in colorado.
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I have spent a good amount of time at Ft. Benning with the AMU guys and they are so specific with components that when they find a good combination for a given rifle they will stockpile the heads and powder batch for the life of that barrel. They have barrel and ammo combinations stored for future use. Unless you handload/reload I don't feel you can find the best performance out of any rifle.
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I think OP is well aware of gun and ammo quality and shooter skills, but is just not yet accustomed to using a scope
but I do think there are some very common fallacies about scopes
If you can throw tight groups with other sights, then yes, you can throw groups at least as tight with scopes (probably better), whether low X or high X
but there are no magic bullets, no magic rifles, and no magic sights
shooting well with a scope is not something packaged in the box, it is learned, same as any other sighting system
it is not, as those who disparage scopes too often imply, a crutch for poor shooting skills
it is a tool, and used rightly will teach you valuable lessons about your shooting technique, it will teach you a lot worth knowing about the subtle things that matter in consistent shooting technique, and that will carry over into your shooting with other types of sights
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it is really not about seeing the target better
it is about seeing the sight better
but I do think there are some very common fallacies about scopes
If you can throw tight groups with other sights, then yes, you can throw groups at least as tight with scopes (probably better), whether low X or high X
but there are no magic bullets, no magic rifles, and no magic sights
shooting well with a scope is not something packaged in the box, it is learned, same as any other sighting system
it is not, as those who disparage scopes too often imply, a crutch for poor shooting skills
it is a tool, and used rightly will teach you valuable lessons about your shooting technique, it will teach you a lot worth knowing about the subtle things that matter in consistent shooting technique, and that will carry over into your shooting with other types of sights
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it is really not about seeing the target better
it is about seeing the sight better
AKElroy
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when sighting from the bench, you need to have very little contact with the rifle. Look on ebay for a used LeadSled & you will see a world of improvement.
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Yes my original reason was to see if a dozen of you guys said yea I can shoot great with a peep but the optics creep me out. I think it is probably a matter of backing the scope power down some and using the led sled, then doing what I usually do. When I get my reloading bench back I'll see what these A7s can really do. The product manager who arranged for these rifles to be made for the US (he actually just left Beretta idky) said that there is nothing off the shelf that can beat these rifles. I have a 30-06 too in blue (this one is in stainless). It is good to be back in the trenches shooting and writing again. Now it's time to get that bench going.
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"Can you shoot an inch at 100 yards with a scope? "
I used too, easily, and even smaller with some rifles. Now that I'm knocking on 70 it's not so easy but I can still do it most of the time.
Most makers dropped irons when 99% of hunters went exclusively to scopes and the rest went to those gosh-awful "see-through" mounts. Sad that so few younger guys will never learn what they could do with peeps if they would only learn to use them correctly.
I used too, easily, and even smaller with some rifles. Now that I'm knocking on 70 it's not so easy but I can still do it most of the time.
Most makers dropped irons when 99% of hunters went exclusively to scopes and the rest went to those gosh-awful "see-through" mounts. Sad that so few younger guys will never learn what they could do with peeps if they would only learn to use them correctly.
xmanpike
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My take on this is three-fold.
1. You should not see bouncing around when you are shooting for sighting in a rifle. Get a good bench, some good sandbags (1-2 for forearm of rifle, and 1 for butt). Get nice and solid. You should be able to have a nice steady rest.
2. The Scope could be off. I have had low and high dollar scopes that would not hold zero. I have had to send two Leupold scopes back to factory, which they then replaced.
3. Your ammo may not agree with your gun. Try a few brands and a few different bullet weights. I have had guns that would shoot single ragged holes with one weight, and 5 inch groups with antother.
GOOD LUCK!
1. You should not see bouncing around when you are shooting for sighting in a rifle. Get a good bench, some good sandbags (1-2 for forearm of rifle, and 1 for butt). Get nice and solid. You should be able to have a nice steady rest.
2. The Scope could be off. I have had low and high dollar scopes that would not hold zero. I have had to send two Leupold scopes back to factory, which they then replaced.
3. Your ammo may not agree with your gun. Try a few brands and a few different bullet weights. I have had guns that would shoot single ragged holes with one weight, and 5 inch groups with antother.
GOOD LUCK!
Grey Morel
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Depends on the rifle.
I had a CZ in .204 that would print under an inch @ 100 yards all day, but I only ever shot it from a rest, using the set trigger.
I had a CZ in .204 that would print under an inch @ 100 yards all day, but I only ever shot it from a rest, using the set trigger.
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Sheepdog1968
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I find I can shoot better with a scope. I can cut my group size to a half or a third of what it is with iron sights.
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Thanks Wombat I checked Midway and they are backordered but I will find some.
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