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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...n-to-target-ar-15-and-the-weapon-used-during/

Along with the Ruger Mini-14, the government will ban the AR-15 and similar types of firearms that have been used in a number of mass shootings in the United States, officials said. They added that the ban will also include the CZ Scorpion, the Swiss Arms Classic Green, the Beretta Cx4 Storm, the Robinson Armament XCR and the Sig Sauer SIG MCX, among others, as well as firearms that use the same platforms.

Note that past protected Mini-14 has caught the attention of banners. It was similarly banned in Norway after their rampage. Clearly the next round goes for all semi guns. The cute build arounds available in some states will not escape this time.

Remember that the NRA claims we just missed a total ban in the USA until they diverted Donald to just take out bumps stocks after Las Vegas. The truth of this is debated by some in the know from the NRA.
 
In last year’s election campaign, the Liberals promised to ban military-style assault weapons, allow municipalities to ban handguns on their territory

Typical, blame the gun not the shooter.
Looks like handguns are on their list as well.

An estimated 391,000 drivers were injured in distracted driving crashes in 2017. For comparison, there were 39,773 gun deaths in the United States in 2017. In 2019, distracted driving was a reported factor in 8.5% of fatal motor vehicle crashes.

The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year. Nearly 390,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving. 1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.

Funny you don't ever hear them talk about banning those evil black cell phones.....
 
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Is there ever any gun rights protest or demonstrations there is Canada? Or is that a really dumb question?
not a dumb question but they just don't care enough about their gun rights to fight for them.
 
Not true, firearms owners make up only 10% of the population of 37 million in Canada. They have firearm organizations like the CCFR and NFA that try their best to fight for gun ownership. There is no 2A in Canada. You Americans should all kiss and hug your AR15 and 1911 tonight.

not a dumb question but they just don't care enough about their gun rights to fight for them.

Unofficial Ban List

According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:

  1. M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. Those styles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 in Canada.
  2. Ruger Mini-14s, the type of firearm used in the École Polytechnique shooting. There are an estimated 16,859 in Canada.
  3. Swiss Arms Classic Green carbines. There are an estimated 1,342 in Canada.
  4. M14 rifles, used in the Moncton shooting. There are an estimated 5,229 in Canada.
  5. Vz. 58 semi-automatic rifles, used in the Quebec City mosque shooting. There are an estimated 11,593 in Canada.
  6. CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines. There are an estimated 1,813 in Canada.
  7. Beretta CX4 Storm carbines, the type of firearm used in the Dawson College shooting. There are an estimated 1,513 in Canada.
  8. Sig Sauer MCX and Sig MPX carbines and pistols. There are an estimated 1,000 in Canada.
  9. Robinson Arms XCR rifles. There are an estimated 1,834 in Canada.



The list also includes two categories of firearms the government hopes to ban:

  1. Firearms with a calibre (gun barrel diameter) of more than 20 mm. For example, a grenade launcher.
  2. Firearms capable of producing muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules.




Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...iday-1.5549969
 
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Not true, firearms owners make up only 10% of the population of 37 million in Canada. They have firearm organizations like the CCFR and NFA that try their best to fight for gun ownership. There is no 2A in Canada. You Americans should all kiss and hug your AR15 and 1911 tonight as it's your God-given Right to bear arms.



Unofficial Ban List

According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:

  1. M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. Those styles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 in Canada.
  2. Ruger Mini-14s, the type of firearm used in the École Polytechnique shooting. There are an estimated 16,859 in Canada.
  3. Swiss Arms Classic Green carbines. There are an estimated 1,342 in Canada.
  4. M14 rifles, used in the Moncton shooting. There are an estimated 5,229 in Canada.
  5. Vz. 58 semi-automatic rifles, used in the Quebec City mosque shooting. There are an estimated 11,593 in Canada.
  6. CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines. There are an estimated 1,813 in Canada.
  7. Beretta CX4 Storm carbines, the type of firearm used in the Dawson College shooting. There are an estimated 1,513 in Canada.
  8. Sig Sauer MCX and Sig MPX carbines and pistols. There are an estimated 1,000 in Canada.
  9. Robinson Arms XCR rifles. There are an estimated 1,834 in Canada.



The list also includes two categories of firearms the government hopes to ban:

  1. Firearms with a calibre (gun barrel diameter) of more than 20 mm. For example, a grenade launcher.
  2. Firearms capable of producing muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules.




Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...iday-1.5549969
Thanks for the education. Keep up the fight!
 
So just get some wacko to use gun configuration xyz on a soft target, kill at least several people and get it on the ban list too.
What happens when wacky jobs figures a gun isn't the best way to do it?
But uses gasoline, which had been used to great effect or a big truck which has also been used to great effect, or heavy equipment bla, bla, bla it never ends.
 
We lost. Our Liberal PM banned the AR-15 today based on a recent mass shooting with guns sourced from the USA illegally. Liberal government used this as an excuse to ban weapons from the law-abiding citizens. Like I said American brothers, heed this warning and resist any Democrat move to do this. Sad day north of the 49th today..

OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced the federal government is immediately placing a ban on 1,500 models and variants of certain assault-style weapons that have been used in mass shootings in Canada and abroad.

“Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country,” Trudeau said.

The prime minister described the sweeping regulations as “closing the market” on these weapons in Canada.

This is being done by changing the classification of these guns in Canada, moving them from non-restricted or restricted class, to “prohibited.”

The prime minister spoke about how every Canadian can remember the day they realized how “a man with a gun could irrevocably alter our lives for the worse.”

Citing a list of mass shootings in Canada, Trudeau said they “shape our identity” and “stain our conscience,” and are happening more and more often.

The prime minister is making the announcement alongside Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, Justice Minister David Lametti, and Public Safety Minister Bill Blair on Parliament Hill.

The ban includes guns that have been used in past Canadian shootings, such as:

the Ruger Mini-14 which was used in the Ecole Polytechnique massacre in Montreal in 1989, which the government estimates there are 16,860 currently in circulation in Canada;

the M14 semi-automatic which was used in the 2014 Moncton shooting, which the government estimates there are 5,230 in Canada;

the Beretta CX4 Storm which was used in the Dawson College shooting, which the government estimates there are approximately 1,510 currently in circulation; and

the CSA-VZ-58 which the gunman attempted to use in the Quebec Mosque shooting, which the government says there are 11,590 in Canada.

Another one of the firearms on Canada’s list of federally prohibited weapons is the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, which was used by the gunman who killed 50 people at a Christchurch, New Zealand mosque in 2019, as well as in other mass shootings in the United States including the Sandy Hook and Las Vegas massacres. A handful of similar models are also on the list, as well as guns with muzzle energy exceeding 10,000 joules and those with calibres exceeding 20 millimeters.

Blair, a former police chief, has been stickhandling the federal government’s gun policy and he said that “from this moment forward, the number of these guns will only decrease in Canada.”

Noting that the “vast majority” of gun owners use them safely and lawfully, the government is putting in place a two-year amnesty period to protect those with these guns from criminal liability until they can take steps to comply with the new rules.

Less than a month after the Christchurch attack, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her government outlawed most automatic and semi-automatic weapons as well as components to modify existing weapons. Trudeau was scheduled to speak with Ardern on Friday.

The move has been cabinet-approved and the reclassification of these weapons can be done through an order-in-council rather than legislation, though future gun control measures are expected to be introduced.

'MORE THAN THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS'

In the wake of the mass shooting that killed 22 people in Nova Scotia earlier this month, Trudeau said he intended on pushing ahead with the Liberal election promise of banning military-style assault weapons.

Referencing this month’s Nova Scotia rampage, Trudeau said the victims’ families “deserve more than thoughts and prayers.”

“This chapter in our history cannot be rewritten, but what happens next is up to us. We can stick to thoughts and prayers alone, or we can unite as a country and put an end to this,” Trudeau said.

On Friday, Trudeau restated his position that guns designed to kill the most people in the shortest amount of time have no place in Canada.

He has previously said that the federal government was “on the verge” of moving ahead on gun control legislation before the pandemic caused Parliament to suspend.

Expected in future legislation is a buyback program for military-style assault rifles purchased legally in Canada, tougher safe-storage laws, and strengthened penalties for smuggling guns into Canada. The government has also committed to crack down on handguns.

In the last Parliament, the Liberals made changes to the rules related to firearm ownership, including broadening background checks for gun owners, toughening rules around the transportation of handguns, and increasing record-keeping requirements for the sale of firearms. It also repealed changes made by the previous Conservative government and the federal Tories have vowed to reverse these changes.

Trudeau called Friday’s announcement the “next step” in their gun control policy, and said he’s already spoke with other party leaders about future legislation.
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There is no 2A in Canada. You Americans should all kiss and hug your AR15 and 1911 tonight as it's your God-given Right to bear arms.

No, it is not god given or have anything to do with religion. It was a thought process of intelligent people who were overthrowing the yoke of a colonizing country. They put to paper what they felt a person required to live a good life

We are thankful for The Bill of Rights, and wish our northern neighbors had such a document guaranteeing sensible freedoms also.
 
Please realize that our ability to own certain guns has no divine mandate but is just a function of the legislatures, courts and executive orders. The Bill of Rights is a social construct and not a magic spell that makes actions occur on its own.

An action is not unconstitutional or constitutional because of your interpretation of the surface prose. As Frank Ettin continually points out, in the end, SCOTUS will speak to that issue. Scholars and justices have different views as we see. Heller was 5/4 - it easily could have been 4/5 and the 2nd Amendment as we would like to see it, would be quite a different law of the land.

We are probably ahead of the game because of the 2nd Amendment for now. The future is unknown. Presidents are wobbly at best, justices change, moral panics push legislatures to act one way or another. The body of American citizens can easily change their view on a social issue. The history of civil rights clearly indicates this and then it is reflected in legislation and court decisions. I've said repeatedly that the gun world has a poor record outside of the choir of defending the long arms under risk. It is not obvious to many Americans why they should be in the general public. Self-defense alone doesn't cut it in the public view and in lower court decisions.

To return to Canada, the inclusion of the Ruger Mini-14 indicates that the next bans won't be naive.
 
Please realize that our ability to own certain guns has no divine mandate but is just a function of the legislatures, courts and executive orders. The Bill of Rights is a social construct and not a magic spell that makes actions occur on its own.

An action is not unconstitutional or constitutional because of your interpretation of the surface prose. As Frank Ettin continually points out, in the end, SCOTUS will speak to that issue. Scholars and justices have different views as we see. Heller was 5/4 - it easily could have been 4/5 and the 2nd Amendment as we would like to see it, would be quite a different law of the land.

We are probably ahead of the game because of the 2nd Amendment for now. The future is unknown. Presidents are wobbly at best, justices change, moral panics push legislatures to act one way or another. The body of American citizens can easily change their view on a social issue. The history of civil rights clearly indicates this and then it is reflected in legislation and court decisions. I've said repeatedly that the gun world has a poor record outside of the choir of defending the long arms under risk. It is not obvious to many Americans why they should be in the general public. Self-defense alone doesn't cut it in the public view and in lower court decisions.

To return to Canada, the inclusion of the Ruger Mini-14 indicates that the next bans won't be naive.

you have a God given right/natural right to self defense by any means necessary. if guns exist you have the right to use them for protection.
 
In reading today's article in thegaurdian.com it struck me how Trudeau was saying one thing (bold accents mine)
“These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada,” said the prime minister. “Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military-grade assault weapons in this country.”

And that suddenly morphed into:
"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said on Tuesday that the Nova Scotia gunman, Gabriel Wortman, had been armed with two semi-automatic rifles and several semi-automatic pistols. Supt Darren Campbell said that one of the guns could be described “military-style assault rifle'".

Once again it's based on styling.

So once again we have the admission that the law wouldn't have stopped the incident that sparked the very laws existence:
"The new ban would probably not have stopped Wortman from obtaining his weapons: he did not have a license to possess or purchase firearms, and police have said they believe the guns were obtained illegally in Canada and the United States."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ault-weapons-ban-trudeau-nova-scotia-shooting
 
JEERY, that's nice but irrelevant to the legal status of various weapons. Cliches don't get us anywhere. We can wander off into theories of what is a right, what's the Deity up to, etc. but let's stay on Canada.

My comment was to try to steer us back to Canada and not a general set of the usual on the RKBA.

So let me make it clear. Stay on Canada. Direct implications if any for the USA. General woe is me comments for Canada, not that useful. FLSwamprat was useful, thanks.
 
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Please realize that our ability to own certain guns has no divine mandate but is just a function of the legislatures, courts and executive orders. The Bill of Rights is a social construct and not a magic spell that makes actions occur on its own.

An action is not unconstitutional or constitutional because of your interpretation of the surface prose. As Frank Ettin continually points out, in the end, SCOTUS will speak to that issue. Scholars and justices have different views as we see. Heller was 5/4 - it easily could have been 4/5 and the 2nd Amendment as we would like to see it, would be quite a different law of the land.

Well said. Seems not every country is enamored with firearms like we are. Not every country has the ''culture" that is so built around firearm ownership like the U.S. IMHO, doesn't make them wrong or us right or vice-versa. Just makes us different. The Liberal Party of Canada ran on the platform of increased gun control in the last two major elections and remained in power. Seems Trudeau pushed for these types of bans back when he came to power in 2015, but didn't follow thru. Apparently, this lack of following thru on his promises is what he is criticized for most, and is what was to blame for his party losing seats in the last election. Seems the majority of folks in Canada are for this. Not our problem, and not really their problem, if this is what they really want. We can't make the rest of the world us. Doesn't matter if it's about guns, rules of society, culture, politics or religion. We may be who we are, but we are not who everyone one is. We just have to be thankful we don't have the rest of the world forcing us to be like them. Kinda why there are borders. It's not just because a river runs there. Our neighboring countries are no different than our neighbors on our block. With all due respect, their house, their rules. Our house, our rules.

JMTCs.
 
The only rights Canadians have are those rights which they’re willing to fight for. The reason we have to fight for any right is because the delusional mob is always the majority. That majority, is choking individual rights in Canada as well as America.
Those in power use the law to choke us. We have been brainwashed into believing obeying all laws will work out for us at some point.
Canada is our canary in the coal mine.
 
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