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Cane As Weapon: Optimal Diameters & Weights ?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by PeteCress, Jan 2, 2019.

  1. Gordon
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    My new sensei is an 8th degree grandmaster in Hap Ki Do , I was lucky to find him. He won't teach me can yet, he said "if you continue like you are, maybe next year" , heck if I CAN continue like I have been i won't need a cane :) And as far as using an impact weapon, If someone attacks you as a mind your own senior it is life or death, get real ! so you need to go full throttle on available targets to stop the attack- PERIOD ! Same with any weapon, the cane however stand far less chance of LEO persecution if you are older and are attacked by younger, it won't fly in court unless you continue the use of it after the assault is ended.
     
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    Nothing flies for self defense if you continue after that attacker stops.
     
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  3. PWC

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    What a out an ice a e that climbers use?
     
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    Too short and they're very expensive and the heads are large enough to get in the way all the time. How do you explain an ice axe anyway outside of a glacier.
     
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    I missed this initial post.

    Why would you think "full-contact and full-speed" strikes to a training partner would be in any way safe? The most famous swordsman in history used bokken (a wooden training sword, essentially a stick) to win all his fights in the latter half of his life. Typically against opponents with swords.

    I've never considered those bumpers before, but it looks like they'd work. I've typically used dead trees or duffle bags stuffed with rags as targets.

    John
     
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  6. Deltaboy1984

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    Good information .
     
  7. Thibaut

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    For me, the objective will be to learn from the myriad of techniques (most probably most or all originating in feudal Japan) so as to be able to use whatever stick is at hand to defend myself. And well. Just swinging a stick at someone won't cut it. Like I said, I am fascinated.
     
  8. roo_ster

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    I made a walking /defensive cane out of a shorter stockman's cane. Opened up the crook a bit. Installed copper end caps on both ends. finished with real tung oil and waxed with renaissance wax. It is about 1" at the bottom end, but opens up to about 1 1/8" hexagon. End of crook narrows a bit.

    I had some Asian martial arts training with bo & jo. But I think the bayonet training in the Army is likely of more use: two-hands on the cane, thrusts & slashes, butt/crook stroke for a variation.

    The old single stick technique might be better for a lighter cane.
     
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  9. Gordon
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    My Grand Master and my training master demonstrating 6 years ago. Look at the Stock cane work ! He will eventually teach me too, if I last .. I go 4 days a week 2 hours a day and I get stronger everyday at 73 :)
     
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  10. Kleanbore

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    I quit using a blackthorn that had a rounded root for a handle some time back. A Derby cane handle is far more functional and less prone to cause pain.

    By the way, some years ago, Rob Pincus recommended a crook handle cane for self defense.

    My recovery from a feet-first slide down the stairs some months ago has been a slow one. The doctor sent me back to physical therapy. The therapist, who is a very dood one, has determined that the injury itself is no longer a problem, but that continued over-reliance on the wrong lower back muscles is causing pain and hindering mobility. He has been trying to get me to improve my posture when I walk.

    The answer? I have reverted to using my old 57 inch stick from the Brazos Walking Stick Company. The hand position is much higher, and that helps with posture.
     
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  11. 460Shooter

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    Now that I own two blackthorns I agree, a real cane would be more versatile, especially after watching a few video demonstrations.

    However, where they shine for me is in the fact that I find I can get away with carrying a blackthorn, even as a middle aged person, and they don't raise eyebrows. If you see a 39 year old carrying a "walking stick" or a fancy wooden "trekking pole", it doesn't look too odd on the trail or on slippery surfaces. If you see a 39 year old with a full on cane, who appears to be walking normally, some folks wonder. A blackthorn seems a little more natural.

    I will likely change over to a derby cane or some other real handled cane as I age and it seems more natural.
     
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