Canik TP series pistols

[wild cat mccane]

Same comments over at the firingline as right here. Not one person is disagreeing that the finish is terrible. Take note.

The trigger is heavier on the TP9 vs the P99 and on the TP9SA vs the PPQ. For example, the PPQ has no real 'wall.' The TP9SA certainly has a wall at the very end.

I did find the reset to be almost the same.

I may buy the TP9SFX for fun, but I would never make the claim that the current version are better than the Walthers in any regard.

 

[ljnowell]

Same comments over at the firingline as right here. Not one person is disagreeing that the finish is terrible. Take note.



The trigger is heavier on the TP9 vs the P99 and on the TP9SA vs the PPQ. For example, the PPQ has no real 'wall.' The TP9SA certainly has a wall at the very end.



I did find the reset to be almost the same.



I may buy the TP9SFX for fun, but I would never make the claim that the current version are better than the Walthers in any regard.

I wonder what it is that gives you such an axe to grind? Every single time these guns are brought up you post using words like "terrible."

I don't believe anyone else would use the word terrible to describe the finish.

Oh. The trigger is better than the walther too.

 

[wild cat mccane]

Because I can back my experience up with ownership proven by pictures.

I am quite confident no one could handle the PPQ and the TP9SA at the same time and say the TP9SA had the better trigger. Those type of statements lead me know the poster's authenticity is questionable.

 

[ljnowell]

Because I can back my experience up with ownership proven by pictures.

I am quite confident no one could handle the PPQ and the TP9SA at the same time and say the TP9SA had the better trigger. Those type of statements lead me know the poster's authenticity is questionable.

You are incredible. Your posts speak for themselves. Nothing else need be said.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Oh. The trigger is better than the walther too.

You just chided the man about posting opinion as fact.

 

[USAF_Vet]

You are incredible. Your posts speak for themselves. Nothing else need be said.

In reading this thread, I'll agree that his posts speak for themselves. I don't believe he was trying to speak for anyone else. But personally, I'd be a lot more willing to trust the guy who has both side by side and giving his opinion. But also, from what I've seen of his posts, he is saying that the Walther is the better gun, with the price point that goes along with it. Better trigger (granted, that is opinion based), better finish, probably an easier warranty and better after market support, but that's just a guess on my part.

The Canik is apparently a very well liked and quality pistol for $300. The Walther may be a bit better in a few aspects, for much more money.

Why is this a problem?

 

[wild cat mccane]

Let's step back for a moment as emotions are high.

In my first post I said the TP9/TP9SA is good. However, consider the Walther. If the difference in money between the two isn't an issue, Walther wins.

I would say the Canik trigger might sway me from an M&P because the trigger might be worth the decrease in other TP9 areas. I would not say the Canik is better in any area compared to the Walther except price. As I said in the first post, that is something someone has to decide for themselves.

As stated on my first post: Canik TP9/TP9SA is good. I might buy the TP9SFX. However, the Walther is smaller all around, better feel (mag well to mag fit as an example), better sights, better trigger, better finish, better feel, etc between the two.

 

[Kiln]

I wouldn't use the word "terrible" to describe the finish by any means but it is not the quality of Glock/Springfield/Walther's finishes by any means. It also costs about half as much.

I also have fired the TP9SA and the P99 side by side. The P99's trigger is not as good IMO. No experience with the PPQ though.

From a quality

 

[Snowdog]

I bought the TP9SA (tan) and was so impressed by it that I purchased a second Canik, the TP9V2 soon after is was imported.

Both have been perfectly reliable, meaning zero malfunctions from either. I've had the TP9SA longer, but I shoot the TP9V2 more often as I occasionally carry it. They are both just as accurate as any Glock, Sig, Walther, etc. You will need to handle one, but if you like the SA, then you will like the identical V2's grip as well.

These Canik pistols are awesome and I do not believe anyone choosing to purchase one would be disappointed in the least.

 

[wild cat mccane]

One of the best articles on the differences between the Walther and its copying Caniks:

http://wookieswords.blogspot.com/2013/11/canik-55-tp-9-vs-walther-p99.html

I 100% agree with this observation, "Overall, the Walther has a more smooth trigger feel. Still, the TP-9 isn't bad at all. "

There is internet rumor that Walther lent Canik its patented trigger. Walther's P99 trigger group goes off patent this year.
I tend to believe Walther did sell patent use to Canik given the exact location of everything, but I haven't heard proof.

 

[Olympus]

Terrible finish? I think you're opinion of terrible is quite a bit different than most others here. Like I said, the finish on a $2000 Les Baer 1911 will wear faster than the Canik and yet people pay a premium for those guns and the finish wear is considered a badge of honor! Finish wear on a $330 pistol? <edit> It's $330! How many times can you have the slide Cerakoted before you even get to the price of the Walther? Or considering you only spent $330 on the gun, you shoot it and enjoy it and chuckle to yourself about the guys that try to talk down about Caniks.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

You could compare apples to apples with the Canik and the Walther PPX. The Walther would be the nicer gun, for $350. Yeah, its big and blocky, but the trigger is excellent on the Walther, as is the fit and finish.

 

[ljnowell]

You just chided the man about posting opinion as fact.

That's why I did it. You know, sarcasm? It was to prove the point that opinions are just that, opinions. I personally think the colt python trigger everyone raves about isn't that great. I would prefer a vintage S&W trigger any day.

 

[Kiln]

You could compare apples to apples with the Canik and the Walther PPX. The Walther would be the nicer gun, for $350. Yeah, its big and blocky, but the trigger is excellent on the Walther, as is the fit and finish.

Except they discontinued the Walther PPX this year. Otherwise I agree, they're a good choice.

Durability wise I dunno. The Canik is Nato certified, where the PPX's design is still unproven.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

Walther claims they fired many thousands of rounds in testing, before bringing out the PPX.

Its news to me that they are discontinued.....glad I got two of them! They're great guns for the money.

 

[ljnowell]

Except they discontinued the Walther PPX this year. Otherwise I agree, they're a good choice.

Durability wise I dunno. The Canik is Nato certified, where the PPX's design is still unproven.

Their head service guy who participates on the tp9sa facebook page has said they have fired over 60k rounds through a test tp9sa without failure.

 

[Kiln]

Walther claims they fired many thousands of rounds in testing, before bringing out the PPX.

Its news to me that they are discontinued.....glad I got two of them! They're great guns for the money.

The CS department says poor sales are the reason they've stopped making them. I think the only real problem is they came into a saturated market with a gun that was built for utility instead of looks. Walther says they're going to keep warrantying them for a long time. The PPX is great. Mine's been perfect.

 

[tercel89]

I am about 95% sure that I will get the TP9 SF when it is released but the only negative that I see if the lack of spare parts availability . But I guess you only live once LOL . I just like to have acess to spare sparts like my GLocks and 1911's , you know ?

 

[Warp]

I am about 95% sure that I will get the TP9 SF when it is released but the only negative that I see if the lack of spare parts availability . But I guess you only live once LOL . I just like to have acess to spare sparts like my GLocks and 1911's , you know ?

Sights and holsters too

 

[ljnowell]

Sights and holsters too

There are plenty of holsters out there that fit and there are companies making them specifically for these pistols now.

They also use standard CZ75 sights. There is a ton of aftermarket sights available for them.

 

[Warp]

There are plenty of holsters out there that fit and there are companies making them specifically for these pistols now.

They also use standard CZ75 sights. There is a ton of aftermarket sights available for them.

I guess I should be more specific, I'm talking high quality holsters made specifically for that gun that fit like a glove. Tuckable IWB holsters with the two offset clips in hybrid, all leather, and all kydex (gotta have choices), and OWB concealment as well as duty/open carry type that fit properly and have multiple levels of active retention.

For me and what I do with my carry guns, the holster selection is still pretty far behind many other choices out there on the market.

I also, personally, am only buying Trijicon HD sights right now and they do not make that particular sight for the Canik or the CZ75 (no I don't want the Trij tough and whatever sigh, want the HD).

So it depends on what specifically you are looking for in the way of support/accessories.

 

[ljnowell]

I guess I should be more specific, I'm talking high quality holsters made specifically for that gun that fit like a glove. Tuckable IWB holsters with the two offset clips in hybrid, all leather, and all kydex (gotta have choices), and OWB concealment as well as duty/open carry type that fit properly and have multiple levels of active retention.



For me and what I do with my carry guns, the holster selection is still pretty far behind many other choices out there on the market.



I also, personally, am only buying Trijicon HD sights right now and they do not make that particular sight for the Canik or the CZ75 (no I don't want the Trij tough and whatever sigh, want the HD).



So it depends on what specifically you are looking for in the way of support/accessories.

As I posted above, there are manufacturers making holsters specifically for these guns. IWB OWB whatever a person wants.

Since it seems you simply want to dismiss them none of this will please you.

 

[Warp]

As I posted above, there are manufacturers making holsters specifically for these guns. IWB OWB whatever a person wants.

Since it seems you simply want to dismiss them none of this will please you.

Could you link an OWB, paddle, active-retention holster for the TP9 please? Preferably by Safariland but will consider another quality manufacturer.

 

[ljnowell]

Could you link an OWB, paddle, active-retention holster for the TP9 please? Preferably by Safariland but will consider another quality manufacturer.

No, I won't. You can go to facebook and join the tp9sa group and find them for yourself.

I don't do other peoples home work for them, especially someone who has no intention of buying any of it.

 

[ljnowell]

It's ironic that you just asked for the very holster that's included with the gun. An OWB paddle holster with active retention. Free with the pistol.

I also know for a fact the crossbreed supertuck is made specifically for them. I almost forgot that black point tactical and green force tactical make holsters for them. I also believe I was told gcode incog. That should be enough to start you on your research.