Evil Monkey
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I wonder how many hundreds of cops like harless there are out there that we don't know about.
Canton Ohio in the news again
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Radagast
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Kliegl: We aren't morally enhanced, we are morally normal. The offender has been shown to be morally deficient. The offenders employer shouldn't fire him because someone might decide to take criminal action against him, they should fire him because it would be the morally normal thing to do.
Deanimator
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That would be nice, but it's unlikely, based on their behavior in the case to date.
The ONLY reason why Harless's career is in ANY danger, even after 10+ IAD complaints, is that videos of his despicable behavior keep showing up on YouTube and elsewhere. Without that, NOTHING would have been done.
Obviously the ONLY thing that has an effect on the Canton PD and city government is embarrassment. If anything is to change, that embarrassment needs to continue.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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1+ on that, he should also lose the right to own a gun because he doesn't act responsible enough to have one.
cfrench
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both of the guys eyes were swollen shut and the police chief says he knew nothing about it!!! MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!!
Nushif
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So, keeping with legal and all, I have two questions:
Is the an legal recourse for the people he wronged at this point? Also, is the any way to go over his previous interactions with the public and screen them?
Is the an legal recourse for the people he wronged at this point? Also, is the any way to go over his previous interactions with the public and screen them?
You would think that now with so many videos that are out showing this guy doing the same thing over and over again the powers that be would investigate this throughly and get him out of uniform.
If not he's going to shoot someone one day that probably does not have it coming.
If not he's going to shoot someone one day that probably does not have it coming.
Deanimator
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It's almost a lead pipe cinch that the CHL holder is going to sue for false arrest after he's acquitted. That's why they're going to trial, to try to extort a plea deal from him in which he gives up the right to sue them.
What they're doing of course is just going to make things MUCH worse for them in the Federal 1983 lawsuit against Harless, the Canton PD and the City of Canton.
azmjs
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If someone tried to murder this police officer, he should spend the rest of his life in prison or else be executed.
azmjs
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So has this guy done anything besides yell at people?
Certainly. The same goes for Harless if he caries through with his threat.
If he tries to carry through with his threat, and the person he goes to murder pulls their gun and kills him, they should be treated like any other person defending their life.
I have to wonder if there is any person that has ever shot a police officer in uniform or not in a self defense situation who has not be convicted?
I don't know, although I would say, his yelling should be enough to get him fired.
centurion94
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Sharps, I got the warning, his wife got it, and maybe even his kids. I just wonder if he got it! Of course, she had the rest of the day to 'splain it to him! In 32 years on the job, that was the the best warning I ever heard of - hats off to your self control and sense of humor!
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I live there, and hope they got fired
langenc
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It should not only be firing-better yet let him resign AND lose any pension rights he may have. Give him a choice-prison or signing off on pension. Better yet, prison and no pension.
azmjs
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I agree he should be fired if he has a habit of unwarranted verbal abuse.
Anything besides fired, I think not.
Anything besides fired, I think not.
azmjs
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Prison for hurting peoples feelings? No dice.
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hurting peoples feelings
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...g-death-threats-and-cursing-for-a-second-time
Sarah Buduson, "Canton police officer caught on tape making death threats and cursing for a second time", Newsnet5, 29 Jul 2011.
If I were armed and cursed people in public, and told them I should or I will shoot them and not lose any sleep over it, I doubt if a court would say that I was just hurting peoples feelings.
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...g-death-threats-and-cursing-for-a-second-time
Sarah Buduson, "Canton police officer caught on tape making death threats and cursing for a second time", Newsnet5, 29 Jul 2011.
If I were armed and cursed people in public, and told them I should or I will shoot them and not lose any sleep over it, I doubt if a court would say that I was just hurting peoples feelings.
N003k
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...Azmjs, go walk up to a cop, having memorized exactly what the cop said to the first big case that made this public, and repeat it, with the same tone and vigor to him. See if you get arrested for 'hurting his feelings'.
What he did was insane, and if he ONLY loses his job he should be considered lucky, but he did far more than hurt feelings.
What he did was insane, and if he ONLY loses his job he should be considered lucky, but he did far more than hurt feelings.
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I am struck by how he parks his car cross-wise, thereby preventing the dash-cam from showing anything at all.
Sure looks pre-planned.
Sure looks pre-planned.
azmjs
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What else did he do besides hurt people's feelings?
You say he did "far more," what was it?
Shall it now become a crime for the police to order people they're stopping to remain still?
You say he did "far more," what was it?
Shall it now become a crime for the police to order people they're stopping to remain still?
azmjs
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What would the court say if you went out armed in public and started hand cuffing people, putting them into the back of your car, and then locking them in a cell with bars?
azmjs
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What about if I put lights on my car and started pulling people over?
Would I get arrested for that?
N003k
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Obviously for impersonating a police officer, but I surely hope you're not saying that being trusted with the power of a badge grants police the authority to threaten to shoot someone that has committed no significant crime (unless speeding or running a light/stop sign now carries the death sentence?), and is posing no threat to the officer?
What if I were open carrying in a grocery store and threatened to shoot the cashier because she wouldn't honor a coupon?
What you seem to be missing here, most likely intentionally given the other posts of yours I've seen, is that this officer, while armed, made a death threat against what is turning out to be SEVERAL citizens.
He didn't say that they were too stupid to own guns, he threatened their lives just because they LEGALLY possessed firearms. A threat is a threat is a threat. They posed no immediate harm to the officer, and thus he was far out of line for his comments, and, if he did not have the backing of the police force, we'd instead have a story of a crazy gun owner threatening people in similar circumstances, that had been arrested, had his firearms seized, and was facing trial.
What if I were open carrying in a grocery store and threatened to shoot the cashier because she wouldn't honor a coupon?
What you seem to be missing here, most likely intentionally given the other posts of yours I've seen, is that this officer, while armed, made a death threat against what is turning out to be SEVERAL citizens.
He didn't say that they were too stupid to own guns, he threatened their lives just because they LEGALLY possessed firearms. A threat is a threat is a threat. They posed no immediate harm to the officer, and thus he was far out of line for his comments, and, if he did not have the backing of the police force, we'd instead have a story of a crazy gun owner threatening people in similar circumstances, that had been arrested, had his firearms seized, and was facing trial.
azmjs
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Wait, so this guy gave people the death penalty for running a red light?
Are we now to outlaw "stop or I'll shoot" because it might hurt people's feelings?
It's a very serious crime to threaten someone with a gun. Will we now need laws so that we can persecute policemen who put their hands on their guns to display the threat of violence to people they pull over?
I can come up with long lists of things that are illegal when Joe Jackass does it, but not for an officer of the law.
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