Cap on ammo sales.

[Rack Grade]

I've got the slogan for this ammo cap policy:

"I'mm gonna cap you, man!"

 

[slugfest]

NO No NO

 

[rdhood]

Define "hoarding" as it pertains to ammo. If I buy huge amount, and eventually shoot it all, am I hoarding?

 

[Ned Kelly]

Hoarding would be trying to get as much as you can and have it stored back. As I have said before these people are hardly the problem though.

It's all the gun dealers cleaning discount shelves and selling it at their store marked up. All it takes is a few of those bad apples to spoil the basket for everyone.

The best thing we can do as consumers is to mark those gun dealers who have been doing this and make sure not to buy anything from them in the future.

 

[PT1911]

I have a hard time believing that something as tragic as a rape or a rape/murder would sway a life long anti-gunner.

I would have to disagree seeing as I saw that exact thing happen just a couple weeks ago...

as far as all old timers having guns, that is simply wrong, I have seen way too many come into the shop in the light of increasing crime rates in my area. They are scared to death something will happen to them or their family... recent events have turned them from someone who used to be indifferent to guns, not anti in any way, to someone who feels the need to carry a gun... then they cannot find ammo because someone is selling buying everything only to sell it at a rediculous mark up.

And without any sort of Business license I might add...

 

[PT1911]

and for those of you who think it is just fine for someone to "hoard" ammo, what if said person is anti-gun and is simply buying up everything they can to make it harder for you and I to get ammunition... to each his own right? BS, if you heard this going on in the line just in front of you at your local shop, wal-mart, or whatever you would be pissed... PERIOD..


"man you must really love to shoot,"

"Nope, just buying ammo to make it harder for everyone else.. all praise OBAMA."

 

[Rockwell1]

what if said person is anti-gun and is simply buying up everything they can to make it harder for you and I to get ammunition

You are really grasping at straws now, you know that right?

 

[PT1911]

no more than someone who thinks anyone who didnt have their ammo before TSHTF doesnt deserve the chance to get it now... that said, you didnt answer my question... you would be alright with that?

 

[akodo]

maybe we can get in lines and the government can tell us the maximum of all sorts of other comondities.

NO sir, you can only buy one 12 pack of soda-pop a week, not two! I don't care that you didn't buy any last week or that your son likes Pepsi but your daughter likes Mountain Dew.

 

[Rockwell1]

no more than someone who thinks anyone who didnt have their ammo before TSHTF doesnt deserve the chance to get it now...

No one said they don’t have a chance to get it now, they have the same chance as everyone else. You want it bad enough wait for the truck.

BTW I’ve yet to walk into my local ammo hole and be told they’re out

that said, you didnt answer my question... you would be alright with that?

A free market economy is a free market economy. You find me an anti that would actually do that and he/she/they/it can buy all the ammo they can carry ( assuming I didn't get there first )

 

[Hoxviii]

It's a free market system so the buyer is free to buy whatever the seller is WILLING to sell.

It really is no different than when a case of soda goes on sale for $3 at the grocery store and they put a 4 case limit on it.

The retailer can control the outflow of his product from his store in anyway he sees fit, regardless of if it's putting caps on sales or raising prices.

I was at the local gunshop looking for a brick of .22 and so was the guy in front of me but they were out. The guy in front of me started getting pretty agitated and said,

"But I was in and bought everything you had last week!"

Owner's response being "Exactly, the truck comes in every 2 weeks so you have it all; and is there any special reason you need 12,000 rounds of .22 a week?"

"I'm buying all I can because I can't find it anywhere!"

 

[PT1911]

I’ve yet to walk into my local ammo hole and be told they’re out

unfortunately I cannot say the same... there is a swarm every time they get ammo in.. the wholesaler finally just said to stop calling and asking for it, he would call when he had some ammo in stock (other than 44 mag HP)

.380 gone, .38 (all but wolf gone), 9mm (all gone), .40( couple boxes of hornady HP),.45 (4 boxes of hornady HP)

 

[Rockwell1]

and is there any special reason you need 12,000 rounds of .22 a week?"

none of your business.

 

[moooose102]

personal ammo stock pile for personal reserve or SHTF = a good thing every person should have

hoarding ammo = buying up large quanities for the purpose of a) keeping others from having it. b) the purpose of deliberatly creating a shortage to artificially inflate the price so you can make a bunch of cash. c) trying to create enough problems in the shooting community to get shooters to ask for govenment controls. :banghead:

 

[PT1911]

personal ammo stock pile for personal reserve or SHTF = a good thing every person should have

hoarding ammo = buying up large quanities for the purpose of a) keeping others from having it. b) the purpose of deliberatly creating a shortage to artificially inflate the price so you can make a bunch of cash. c) trying to create enough problems in the shooting community to get shooters to ask for govenment controls.

+++++++++++++1

 

[john1911]

We should get Obama to appoint an "Ammo Czar". Make sure all the ammo is distributed "fairly".

Some of you really need to get ahold of yourselves. Envy is not pretty.

Ammo is out there. It won't jump into you cart at WW, but it can be found.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Kind of funny how there's been a rash of 1 post members trying to test the waters with anti-gun rhetoric....


Also, isn't there legislation being pushed in CA to limit ammo sales to 50 rounds right now?


Kind of fishy

 

[Merkelman]

If I owned an ammo manufacturing company I would do exactly what they are doing. That is, limit production to keep demand high and sell at the prices you dumbos are willing to pay!

 

[Brian Dale]

...that said, you didn't answer my question... you would be all right with that?

Antis buying ammo? You dang' betcha; I'm all for it!

maybe we can get in lines and the government can tell us the maximum of all sorts of other commodities. [I'm sure that this is sarcasm - BD]

Criminy, don't give 'em ideas.

There's ammo where I live, but you see, I go to actual gun stores. I like the idea of them staying in business.

 

[Rockwell1]

Kind of funny how there's been a rash of 1 post members trying to test the waters with anti-gun rhetoric

And I thought I was the only one who was thinking that

 

[Lou McGopher]

Who suggested a price increase?????

Are you for real man!

I am for real. Which would you prefer... paying even more than you are now, but not having to worry about whether or not enough is available, or paying what you were paying or are paying now, but having much difficulty getting it at all?

When hurricanes hit the Gulf states, they have shortages on gasoline, milk, ice, etc. The first people to get to the store buy it all up, probably more than they will need, but they do it just in case. Normally, the law of supply and demand would cause prices to go up. Prices go up, and people are forced to be more prudent about where they spend their money. They're less likely to buy more than they will need of that item, which means more people will get some, rather than only a few getting it all. Now, the price goes up, and the producers, whether they are dairy suppliers, gasoline suppliers, ice manufacturers.... will see that there is more profit to be made, and they will be far more willing to get their products to these areas. They may have to navigate around flooded roads, and downed power lines, but the increase in prices makes it worth the effort. Because of the increased prices, the shortage comes to an end a lot sooner. If prices don't go up, it doesn't matter if retailers are rationing, there will still be a shortage as neither retailers nor producers have much incentive to try to overcome the obstacles in order to keep supplying their product. And often, retailers fear raising their price under risk of prosecution for "price gouging." And who are the people rushing out to load up ice, bottled water, and gasoline in hurricane zones? The people who didn't have the foresight to stock up until the last minute. Prices go up, but it helps alleviate the shortages, and only lasts until things have recovered from the storm.

That's essentially what we have with the ammo shortage. The hot air (the current administration's pro-gun control policy) has collided with the cold air (the previous administration's pro-imperialism policy), and formed a vortex which is sucking up almost all of the ammo. Ammo suppliers (AFAIK) aren't doing much to increase their production capacity. This is either because the government contracts are almost fulfilled, or if they aren't almost fulfilled, prices aren't high enough to justify the investment of increasing production capacity.

What we do know is that prices aren't too high for consumers. If they were, then stores would be overstocked on ammo, and it would be collecting dust on the shelves and in warehouses. The appropriate price is whatever the market will bear.

So, we will continue to have shortages until one of three things: either the fear of Obama's pro-criminal policies passes, the need to supply Bush's pro-oil company war ends, or prices go up sufficiently to justify suppliers investing in increased ammo production.

Simple, no?

Also, those of you railing against people "hoarding," are making some extremely socialistic statements. Saying, "you don't need that much ammo... let other people have some," is no different than saying, "you don't need that much money... let other people have some." It's welfare. It's socialism. It's anti-capitalist, anti-free market, and anti-freedom. Who are you to decide how much is too much? Just because you can't get as much as you want, nobody else should have as much as they want? Quit throwing childish fits over it. I'm sitting here, desperately low on .45ACP, but I know better than to be chastising those who are swimming in it.

 

[Brian Dale]

Saying, "you don't need that much ammo... let other people have some," is no different than saying, "you don't need that much money... let other people have some." It's welfare. It's socialism. It's anti-capitalist, anti-free market, and anti-freedom.

I don't agree. It's always legitimate to try to convince people of your position. It's legislation that turns all to pain and suffering.

 

[Mohawk]

"Also, those of you railing against people "hoarding," are making some extremely socialistic statements. Saying, "you don't need that much ammo... let other people have some," is no different than saying, "you don't need that much money... let other people have some." It's welfare. It's socialism. It's anti-capitalist, anti-free market, and anti-freedom. Who are you to decide how much is too much? Just because you can't get as much as you want, nobody else should have as much as they want? Quit throwing childish fits over it. I'm sitting here, desperately low on .45ACP, but I know better than to be chastising those who are swimming in it. "

Whenever there is an extreme shortage of a commodity then certain results are predictable. Prices will rise to meet the market. Most will buy enough to stock up but some will hoard. Lets call it what it is, profiteering. I, personally think an inordinate amount of this is going on in the ammo world right now. Maybe it’s just me but I read about guys walking into the gun store and seeing 4 cases of 762X39 and crowing about the fact that they bought it all. Just check out the ammo section of any gun site. At 400.00 a case who here has enough money to shoot up 1600.00 in 2 or 3 months?
I agree, the free market system should remain free to the purchaser. But when it comes to commodities like ammo, food and toilet paper, don’t buy more than you need. Save some for the next guy.

 

[Threeband]

It's a Brave New Darwinian World.

Life is always a competition to aquire food, women,...and ammo.

It's called Survival of the Fittest, not Survival of the Whiners.

Ammo is out there. It won't jump into you cart at WW, but it can be found.

And that's exactly true. You just have to make a little effort.

At Wal Mart: Stop by frequently. Ask the employees when more will come in. They may say, "I don't know," but it doesn't hurt to ask. Otherwise, just keep checking, especially before lunch.

On Line Near as I can tell, there is PLENTY available, but it sells out quickly. Bookmark a dozen online ammo sellers, and check every day. When it's available, POUNCE on it.

Once you have your basic 5000 rounds in every caliber you need, or think you may want someday, you can relax and start having fun stockpiling more.

 

[pith43]

what if said person is anti-gun and is simply buying up everything they can to make it harder for you and I to get ammunition.

And the new tin foil hat winner is...

Some in the gun crowd are having a total meltdown because of ammo prices...but antis are out spending their money on expensive ammo they dont shoot..........right