EddieCoyle
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P95Carry said:
Better to have hearing aids in two than to be carried by six.
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Better to have hearing aids in two than to be carried by six.
hurrakane212
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krochus said:
Riiiiiight... because I WANT to go to jail... don't be a moron! Call BS on whatever you think you know, I could care less. Take a look at my signature at the bottom of the post about not pulling the gun out unless you intend to fire it. :banghead: I don't want to shoot anyone or threaten anyone. However, if I am going to have a gun in my car, I want it to be a gun with some penitration power. What if somone does succede in running me off the road and then wants to get personal? It's a hypothetical situation but very possible, just like getting robbed... MORON!
farscott
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A gun is not the right answer for this issue; in fact, it might be the equivalent of throwing gasoline on a roaring fire. Brandishing a firearm when the person behind you is enraged enough to run you off the road and you are behind the wheel of a multi-thousand pound projectile is not a good idea.
My suggestion is to learn to be a better driver. If you are driving so slowly as to be impeding the flow of traffic and people are getting angry enough to HIT the rear of your vehicle, you need to go faster for two reasons:
1) To get the heck away from the crazy person who is willing to HIT you from behind, and
2) To stop impeding the flow of traffic.
I suggest the Bob Bondurant School. It will cost you what a good handgun and a few boxes of ammo costs, and it will pay dividends every day.
My suggestion is to learn to be a better driver. If you are driving so slowly as to be impeding the flow of traffic and people are getting angry enough to HIT the rear of your vehicle, you need to go faster for two reasons:
1) To get the heck away from the crazy person who is willing to HIT you from behind, and
2) To stop impeding the flow of traffic.
I suggest the Bob Bondurant School. It will cost you what a good handgun and a few boxes of ammo costs, and it will pay dividends every day.
YIKES! I don't think you want to get into a rolling gunfight while driving along a mountain highway. Better to come to a quick as possible controlled stop and let the threat pass. Pull over, catch your breath and wait a few minutes. Then proceed, looking carefully ahead for the inevitable carnage.
runninmike
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Get a class 5 trailer hitch and put the longest tongue and ball you can find on there and ride your brakes hard if they get too close.
Carry some zip-lock bags filled with bacon grease/jello/mustard and start lobbing them at the would-be-road- rager's windshield, they will turn on their windshield wipers and then will be forced to stop from grease smear lack of visibility. Forget the gun at home for this purpose pard, you'll inadvertantly shoot somebody's eye out not worth spending your life in jail for.
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disclaimeroster not responsible for those who may be grease/jello/mustard-bag throwing mountain road tailgater defenders-only my own silly remedy.
Carry some zip-lock bags filled with bacon grease/jello/mustard and start lobbing them at the would-be-road- rager's windshield, they will turn on their windshield wipers and then will be forced to stop from grease smear lack of visibility. Forget the gun at home for this purpose pard, you'll inadvertantly shoot somebody's eye out not worth spending your life in jail for.
Best-MC
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oster not responsible for those who may be grease/jello/mustard-bag throwing mountain road tailgater defenders-only my own silly remedy.Zen21Tao
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How about a 4" S&W 500 under the drivers seat. 
or, if you want to be more practical, a 10mm Glock 20/29.
The 10mm would give you the ammo capacity of most 9mm with much greater penetration than a 9mm, 40 S&W, or .45acp can muster.
or, if you want to be more practical, a 10mm Glock 20/29.
The 10mm would give you the ammo capacity of most 9mm with much greater penetration than a 9mm, 40 S&W, or .45acp can muster.
griz
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Are you saying that more than once a car has bumped into you on the same road? What did the police say when you reported it? Did the side-swipe/rifle incident happen on the same road as well?
Sport45
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I'm glad I live in Texas where everyone is supposed to "Drive Friendly". With over a half-million miles under my belt I have never seen anything like you're (hurrakane212) talking about seeing commonly. I agree with farscott, you should take a step back and try to figure out what YOU are doing to bring this on yourself.
I have driven in Tennessee and didn't notice driving that was any more aggerssive than anywhere else. I do a lot of driving in the Houston area. Even when I'm forced to drive slow because of a tarp tiedown that has broken (or whatever other reason) I don't feel endangered by other drivers. I know I'm irratating the poor folks behind me, but they just go around when they get the chance.
I have driven in Tennessee and didn't notice driving that was any more aggerssive than anywhere else. I do a lot of driving in the Houston area. Even when I'm forced to drive slow because of a tarp tiedown that has broken (or whatever other reason) I don't feel endangered by other drivers. I know I'm irratating the poor folks behind me, but they just go around when they get the chance.
As has been mentioned if, while driving, you shoot another driver (or even their car) irregardless of what they may be doing you WILL be charged. If they run you off the road, stop, get out of their car and come for you THEN shoot (after warning them). But shooting from/into moving vehicles is almost impossible to defend in court. They kinda figure you could have called 911 on your cell phone, stopped and let him go or at least kept going until help could be reached. Just something to consider from someone that has arrested a person for doing just what you describe.
HTH,
Mike
HTH,
Mike
sm
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In another life[tm]
Model 29, full house .44 Magnujm JSP loads my preference. Laynard Ring and yeah - it will get another vehicle "off you".
Understand I CCW-ed 1911s, BHPs, K frames and had a pump shotgun loaded with slugs in the trunk...well sometimes "maybe" not in the trunk, more "accessible".
Model 29s role was for the Professional Thugs using 'bump, shoot, rob' and similar 'techniques".
Low pressure rounds like .38spl and .44spl are "less noisy" when fired from within a vehicle as compared with .44 mag or .357. Note I have tested a number of firearms shooting out of - and into vehicles. Car jackings and such the lower pressure rds are great.
I had a reason for full house .44mag JSP loads, that was what I loaded up with.
I wanted a revolver, simply because in Close Quarters I did not want any part of a semi [i.e. slide in recoil] to be stopped by hitting steering wheel, seat, or who knows what all may [did] occur when matters get 'real friggin' interesting".
Yeah I train to use semi in close quarters, and do practice shooing out of vehicles.
There is something to be said for Model 29, laynard , full house .44 magnum JSP, and knowing from training you can shoot one weak
handed.
Tip: Even if one does not wear glasses. Or say at night and no sunglasses - some nice frames clear no 'scripted lenses, will protect one's eyes while driving and glass gets broken...stuff happens on the road. I know.
Tip: Even if one does not wear glasses. Or say at night and no sunglasses - some nice frames clear no 'scripted lenses, will protect one's eyes while driving and glass gets broken...stuff happens on the road. I know.
hurrakane212
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Thank you
To sm and others who actually answered my question, Thank you very much. It is the hallmark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without embracing it. That said, this has been a game of "what if." I hope to never shoot anyone, especially from a moving car. However, if I am going to have a gun in my car I would want it to be one that could handle whatever situation I might be in. I would never brandish, threaten, or assault another driver. I speed up or pull over if possible. I am not paranoid, I just want to have the propper tool if I was ever in a position where I needed to use it. God knows that if the s-hit hits the fan and somehow I am upside down in a ditch and some SOB is coming to finish the job, I want enough gun to do it! Yeah this is a "26 ninjas" scenario (to quote Marc "animal" MacYoung) but I thought it was ok to ask hypothetical questions...~Nathan
To sm and others who actually answered my question, Thank you very much. It is the hallmark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without embracing it. That said, this has been a game of "what if." I hope to never shoot anyone, especially from a moving car. However, if I am going to have a gun in my car I would want it to be one that could handle whatever situation I might be in. I would never brandish, threaten, or assault another driver. I speed up or pull over if possible. I am not paranoid, I just want to have the propper tool if I was ever in a position where I needed to use it. God knows that if the s-hit hits the fan and somehow I am upside down in a ditch and some SOB is coming to finish the job, I want enough gun to do it! Yeah this is a "26 ninjas" scenario (to quote Marc "animal" MacYoung) but I thought it was ok to ask hypothetical questions...~Nathan
Disregarding the fact that shooting at an attacker when you have a 2 ton killing machine is unnesasary, the concern when shooting through car glass is not so much with caliber as with ammunition. You can get all sorts of special purpose dollar a shot bullets that will go right through car glass and hold their shape. That goes for any handgun caliber typicaly used for fighting.
Kodiaz
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Snakeater
let's suppose for some completely insane reason you are in your car and you are driving and you are attacked and the only way to defend yourself is to shoot.
How do you shoot an AK out of your car while you are still driving.
The purpose of the firearm in my scenario is to suppress the problem so I can get away in my car. I don't want to get out of my car and have a firefight I want to get away and go home.
And I'm not talking about the way things are now. I'm talking about something that could happen if the economy took a major dump. Along the lines of the great depression.
let's suppose for some completely insane reason you are in your car and you are driving and you are attacked and the only way to defend yourself is to shoot.
How do you shoot an AK out of your car while you are still driving.
The purpose of the firearm in my scenario is to suppress the problem so I can get away in my car. I don't want to get out of my car and have a firefight I want to get away and go home.
And I'm not talking about the way things are now. I'm talking about something that could happen if the economy took a major dump. Along the lines of the great depression.
sm
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Understand in that other life, folks like myself were targets of Professional Thugs. These wonderful folks had various "skill sets". Varied from Bypassing Alarms, to safecracking, to Breaking into one's abode and awaiting your arrival, kidnapping and - following one, waiting until your were on a stretch of road and forcing you off the road. Often times more than one car doing this.
I mean a car in front, one in back comes up and starts hitting your rear end, you speed up and the one in front blocks any attempt for you to pass. Or the car speeds up, pretends to pass, instead slams his vehicle into yours. It really really sucks when his passenger shoots out your driver's rear passenger glass.
Never forget to thank Lady Luck...never
BTDT
My choice was derived from listening to Some Mentors that had special skills they learned in special areas paid for by a favorite uncle in which they got use these special skills in SEA. Later on some were still involved in certain related work using these skills in various areas - including LEO , some UC.
Now I listened intently when told how a 12 ga slug stopped a car that had run thru a roadblock, and this UC had "awaited his arrival around the next bend" with a Ithaca 37 and slugs.
I listened to how a similar situation was "put a gall-darned stop to this crap right quick" with the UC LEOs .44 mag with full house JSPs.
Yes I used wrecked cars and shot them various ways. Into, out of, and even their engines running, and me driving by to practice. I will share this shooting a tire out as seen in the movies and tv...
...some stuff in real life does not match up just quite so exact as the media portrays.
Thugs wanted 1) what you had on person or in truck ( valuables) 2) You to gain access to what you could.
#1, they did not need you - period. Get you stopped anyway and get the goods. Various ways they did this.
#2, as long "alive enough" "able enough" to get to where you could access, or use as leverage to get another with access to get the goods from secure area.
Guns are great for "part of" what is in the toolbox. Guns are not THE toolbox.
I preferred a certain type of vehicle, I may need enough engine and horsepower to outrun. Suspension to outmanuver, Enough mass to absorb some bumping and hitting and - the abilty to fight back with my vehicles.
Front wheel drives are NOT Good for this. I got caught and had to use one. Medium size. I "evaded", but I tore the compound crap out the rental car. I totaled that car with 500 miles on it. Front wheel drives suck at going over curbs ( medians).
My mentors got me in a few Demoliton Derbys. I needed the mindset that I could take a hit, and survive being hit by cars. I also had to hit back and keep my vehicle running.
Then they had me in a "wreck" that ran...not great...just a training tool, and with two wrecked cars (stationary) had me replicate outrunning these two cars and finding myself at the end of a road, do a 180*, and hammer down coming back at 'em ("chicken" )and bust thru two cars "attempting" to block my escape.
Awareness, Mindset, Determination to Survive no matter what. Training my brain, and then adding defensive driving , shooting and other tools.
Main thing - dont' be where trouble is.
Bad stuff happens to good folks and sometimes trouble finds you.
Whatcha gonna do?
BTDT, and no - you don't get a T shirt either.
Best Kept secret is a 3" K frame in .357.
I highly recommend a laynard loop on these, and on Combat Commander/ Full Size 1911s.
I mean a car in front, one in back comes up and starts hitting your rear end, you speed up and the one in front blocks any attempt for you to pass. Or the car speeds up, pretends to pass, instead slams his vehicle into yours. It really really sucks when his passenger shoots out your driver's rear passenger glass.
Never forget to thank Lady Luck...never
BTDT
My choice was derived from listening to Some Mentors that had special skills they learned in special areas paid for by a favorite uncle in which they got use these special skills in SEA. Later on some were still involved in certain related work using these skills in various areas - including LEO , some UC.
Now I listened intently when told how a 12 ga slug stopped a car that had run thru a roadblock, and this UC had "awaited his arrival around the next bend" with a Ithaca 37 and slugs.
I listened to how a similar situation was "put a gall-darned stop to this crap right quick" with the UC LEOs .44 mag with full house JSPs.
Yes I used wrecked cars and shot them various ways. Into, out of, and even their engines running, and me driving by to practice. I will share this shooting a tire out as seen in the movies and tv...
...some stuff in real life does not match up just quite so exact as the media portrays.
Thugs wanted 1) what you had on person or in truck ( valuables) 2) You to gain access to what you could.
#1, they did not need you - period. Get you stopped anyway and get the goods. Various ways they did this.
#2, as long "alive enough" "able enough" to get to where you could access, or use as leverage to get another with access to get the goods from secure area.
Guns are great for "part of" what is in the toolbox. Guns are not THE toolbox.
I preferred a certain type of vehicle, I may need enough engine and horsepower to outrun. Suspension to outmanuver, Enough mass to absorb some bumping and hitting and - the abilty to fight back with my vehicles.
Front wheel drives are NOT Good for this. I got caught and had to use one. Medium size. I "evaded", but I tore the compound crap out the rental car. I totaled that car with 500 miles on it. Front wheel drives suck at going over curbs ( medians).
My mentors got me in a few Demoliton Derbys. I needed the mindset that I could take a hit, and survive being hit by cars. I also had to hit back and keep my vehicle running.
Then they had me in a "wreck" that ran...not great...just a training tool, and with two wrecked cars (stationary) had me replicate outrunning these two cars and finding myself at the end of a road, do a 180*, and hammer down coming back at 'em ("chicken" )and bust thru two cars "attempting" to block my escape.
Awareness, Mindset, Determination to Survive no matter what. Training my brain, and then adding defensive driving , shooting and other tools.
Main thing - dont' be where trouble is.
Bad stuff happens to good folks and sometimes trouble finds you.
Whatcha gonna do?
BTDT, and no - you don't get a T shirt either.
Best Kept secret is a 3" K frame in .357.
I highly recommend a laynard loop on these, and on Combat Commander/ Full Size 1911s.
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