Caracal 9mm

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By any objective measure they screwed up their intro of the Caracal to the U.S.

If you want to see how a product rollout is done correctly then look at how S&W rolled out the M&P Sheild. They created hype leading up to the unveiling, and right after the product announcement, they had hundreds of the Shields delivered to gun stores all over America.

If you want to see how a product rollout is done badly, look at the Kel-Tec KSG. They hyped it and announced it at SHOTshow 2011, then they said it would be available later in 2011 - but a year later and there were probably a total of 3 of the guns in the entire country and the people who had them were asking $1,800 for them.

Ruger didn't do so great with their 1911 either. They hyped it, they had Ruger reps go to gunstores all over the U.S.A and then when people tried to buy the things, there were LONG LONG LONG waits.

Caracal showed up to SHOTshow 2010 and said their pistols would be available to the U.S. sometime in 2010 - but they never were. Then they showed up at SHOTshow 2011 and said their pistols would be available in 2011, while a few models popped up here and there - they weren't generally available. When SHOTshow 2012 rolled around and Caracal told people that the pistols were going to be available in the U.S. this year - no one was holding their breath.

When it came to their marketing and logistics chain to the U.S. they bungled it.

That has nothing to do with whether it is a good pistol or not.

I have yet to read a negative review of the Caracal.
 
I have the Caracal F. All positive - nothing negative. You can find it cheaper than a Glock and so far to me - it's better than my Glocks [I have the G19 and the G22 - 3rd Gens]. Spotty at first to get one but they have a new importer and it seems they are available. You can find them now on Buds - which generally means - you can find them several other places also. The $399.00 price point plus a reasonable FFL and free shipping do put them in at about $420.00 range. 18 round magazines times 2 gives you plenty o' rounds.

If you follow some of my other threads on the Caracal - I have stated that it is inherently a quick learn shooter. I was putting more rounds in the black the first time I picked the pistol up more so than any other pistol.

I recently did some comparison shooting with my G19, my S&W M&P and my Caracal F. The trigger on the Caracal is definitely the better of the 3. You can give a nod to the Smith on ergos, but just barely. The Caracal fits very well in my hands. Much better than the G19 with has the worse feel of all.

In 20 round shoot offs [20 Glock, 20 Caracal, repeat - 20 Glock, 20 Caracal, etc. ] I simply am a better shot with the Caracal. Less felt recoil, very low bore axis, a lot more metal rail on the frame, crisp trigger...

I am looking now to get the C model with the quick sight. I would LOVE to see the SUBC be able to be imported...

Get one. Or two....it's what the improvements to the Glock SHOULD have been - in my opinion.
 
I'm at 950 rounds through my Caracal F -Zero failures. It's an easy pistol to shoot well.

I agree with the bungled marketing comment. Caracal spent huge at the SHOT Show this year, yet, we don't really see much from the traditional gun press? Odd.

IMHO, Caracal will remain on the fringe until there is an actual Caracal USA importing guns and supplying parts.

YMMV
 
They are manufacturing a sniper rifle now, and I'm betting that they'll go on to create a 9mm SMG for tankers. There will probably be a carbine version in the states before Glock ever gets around to making one.
 
I don't have whole lot of experience with poly 9mm's, but I am interested in the Caracal as my entry into the market (the Boberg is a distant, whimsical second :eek:). The closest "comparable" pistols I've shot are my Five-seveN and my Pappy's Beretta .40S&W PX4. That PX4 feels fantastic in my hands, but seems to be a tad pricey for what it is. Cant seem to find them under 500$ around here...

Does anyone know how the Caracal's grip shape and angle stack up against the PX4's?

TCB

PS: The "quick" sights are kinda interesting, buy seem to be hyped more than they probably should be... They seem like a hybrid between "bead" sighting and traditional iron sights; Both sight elements are closer to the same focal plane, and move less relative to eachother due to hand motion (probably great on shotguns :)). But it seems like these traits are simply due to a reduced sight-radius, which by definition limits the ability to shoot (as) accurately. How much are 25+yard grouping affected by this, anyone know?
 
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just saying

I'm probably setting myself up for some flak but I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country...regardless of how good the Caracal is reported to be.

I'd rather my $$$'s go elswhere. :scrutiny:
 
I'm probably setting myself up for some flak but I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country

Uh wow...I used to know guys that wouldn't buy LGB trains because they were made in Germany.

Anyway..fFrom the U.S. State department website....

U.S.-UNITED ARAB EMIRATES RELATIONS

The United States has had friendly relations with the United Arab Emirates (U.A.E.) since 1971, following its formation and independence from the United Kingdom. The two countries established formal diplomatic relations in 1972. The U.A.E. plays an influential role in the Middle East, and is a key partner for the United States. The United States and the U.A.E. enjoy strong bilateral cooperation on a full range of issues including defense, non-proliferation, trade, law enforcement, energy policy, and cultural exchange. The two countries work together to promote peace and security, support economic growth, and improve educational opportunities in the region and around the world. U.A.E. ports host more U.S. Navy ships than any port outside the United States.

U.S. Assistance to the United Arab Emirates

The United States provides no foreign assistance to the U.A.E.

Bilateral Economic Relations

The prosperity of the U.A.E. is based in large part on the country's vast oil and gas reserves, and it is one of the United States’ single largest export markets in the Middle East and North Africa region. More than 750 U.S. firms operate in the country. Many U.S. companies, drawn by strong logistics and transport industries, use the U.A.E. as a regional headquarters from which to conduct business throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Asia. The U.S. and U.A.E. have entered into a Trade and Investment Framework Agreement, establishing a formal dialogue to promote increased trade and investment between the two countries.

Yah - those U.A.E. guys really aren't friendly to the U.S. of A at all, let alone the 750 U.S. companies that do business over there...
 
I wonder how much better the Caracal would have done if they had paired up with a U.S. company for imports and sold it under that company's name? (Like Springfield Armory did with the XD).
 
I like my Caracal F. So far I have approximately 1200 trouble free rounds through it. I used to own a Glock 17 (gen 3). Accuracy and reliability are on par with the Glock. The trigger is a little better on the Caracal. Caracal's trigger seems a little lighter, otherwise they seem relatively similar. I would say the Caracal has better ergos than Glock.

Of course the Caracal has questionable support, little to no aftermarket support, and no night sights. That said I would still choose the Caracal over the Glock. Here is a pic.
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I know this will be a very controversial comment but here goes----if I had never shot a gun and tried out all the guns I currently own (...and that's a lot of guns :D) my guess is that the Caracal F would be my pick for the one to keep.

The reason I say it that way is because I've shot Glocks for a long time and seem to shoot them well due in part to familiarity. But, the Caracal is right up there in all areas and ahead in one (trigger). Great ergos, reliable, good value, accurate, great trigger, ect...

I did the review below a few months ago and if I did it again, it would be much more enthusiastic. I put about 500-600 through both the C and F since the review and I just like these guns more and more with every round I put through them.

Caracal Review Video

I'd like to see some aftermarket sight/part support but like CountZero said; they botched the release of these guns and the aftermarket and factory support aren't where they need to be to really capitalize on this gun's potential.
 
I have owned both a Caracal C and F since early March and really love shooting both. So far I'd put them on par with my Glock's and M&P's, but with better triggers.

I also work a couple of days a week in my buddies gun store and we sell Caracal's. Have sold quite a few of them in the last couple of months and have had nothing but positive reviews from all who have bought.

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Maybe someone can answer a couple questions for me. I don't recall having seen these answered previously. I apologize if they have already been answered.

What kind of rifling does it have?

It ships with two mags, right?

What other pistol does it feel closest to?

Are holsters readily available for them? The only one I found after a very brief search was a Blade Tech.

What is their warranty like?

What is the worst thing you guys that own them can say about them?

I have to say, they are quite tempting at that price point.
 
It ships with two mags, right? YES


What is the worst thing you guys that own them can say about them?

I hear others complain about 4 things. Aftermarket support (which I don't care)
Plastic guide rod (hasn't bothered me)
Source (UAE: see earlier messages)
Sights: QA sights and the 2-dot sights take practice.

I honestly don't have a complaint yet 500 rounds in.

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That's my take
 
I'm probably setting myself up for some flak but I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country...regardless of how good the Caracal is reported to be.

I'd rather my $$$'s go elswhere. :scrutiny:
I know exactly how you feel, I wouldnt have an Israeli made weapon if you paid me, bad karma. As far as the Caracal, I like it.
 
Exactly. Just my preference as I posted for this reason. "I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country."

How friendly the UAE are to the USA, the number of businesses we have there, and how much USA military we have based there has nothing to do with it.
 
I'm probably setting myself up for some flak but I have no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country...regardless of how good the Caracal is reported to be.

I'd rather my $$$'s go elswhere.

Unless you make your own clothes and live off the land you're a hypocrite . Doubtfull as your "online". Just about everything your touching right now is the end product of a petrochemical process. The Middle east produces most of the worlds oil. So weather you like it or not your still supporting them....
 
I wonder how much better the Caracal would have done if they had paired up with a U.S. company for imports and sold it under that company's name? (Like Springfield Armory did with the XD).

It seems ot me that this question presupposes that measuring "how much better the Caracal would have done" is based on sales in the U.S civilian market.

You have to look at the story of how the Caracal came about to understand that it wasn't their first or primary objective to sell to U.S. civilian shooters.

The people behind this wanted to create a firearms manufacturer in the U.A.E.
They were looking at created a duty sidearm for the police and militaries of the Middle East (including their own U.A.E forces).

They did this from the ground up - they went out and got Wilhelm Bubits. They bankrolled the research and development. They bankrolled the manufacturing facilities...

IMO, there was a concious effort to create this industry within their country. So this was not just some machine shop or gun maker who would would be happy with being some U.S. gunmaker's suppiler.

Cocked & Locked said he has no desire to own a handgun produced in a Muslim country. Many muslims have no desire to own a handgun produced in a non-Muslim country. They'd rather not purchase from France, Italy or the U.S if they could purchase a sidearm from an Arab state and a Muslim country instead.

Tawazun has some significant marketing advantages when they go talk to the Secretaries of Defense and procurement people for countries like Jordan, Bahrain and other Muslim or Arab countries in the region.

They seemed to do a much better job with their intro of the Caracal to Italy than they did with their intro to the U.S. They partnered with Tanfoglio.

I don't see how they could have partnered with S&W or SA - the Caracal competes with the M&P, Walther, and XDs But they should have partnered up with someone, maybe EAA ??? (I don't know).
 
Maybe someone can answer a couple questions for me. I don't recall having seen these answered previously. I apologize if they have already been answered.

What kind of rifling does it have?

It ships with two mags, right?

What other pistol does it feel closest to?

Are holsters readily available for them? The only one I found after a very brief search was a Blade Tech.

What is their warranty like?

What is the worst thing you guys that own them can say about them?

I have to say, they are quite tempting at that price point.
There is no way to go wrong unless you try to sell one after you bought it.
 
There is no way to go wrong unless you try to sell one after you bought it.

Unless:

It has polygonal rifling.

It ships with one mag, and spares are hard to come by and expensive. 2 would do for me now, but not 1.

It feels like I am shooting a Glock. (Not hating, just not for me.)

The one Blade Tech I saw is the only holster available.

I get the one in a million lemon, and their warranty and/or CS sucks.

:D
 
It has traditional rifling.

Ships with two mags and they are available online for $20.

It doesn't feel like a glock; however, the trigger is relatively similar.

Quick google search and I found around four or five holsters. Not sure about availability.

Not sure why people are so concerned about resale value. It's an inexpensive $400 polymer pistol.

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There is no way to go wrong unless you try to sell one after you bought it.
Unless:

It has polygonal rifling.

It ships with one mag, and spares are hard to come by and expensive. 2 would do for me now, but not 1.

It feels like I am shooting a Glock. (Not hating, just not for me.)

The one Blade Tech I saw is the only holster available.

I get the one in a million lemon, and their warranty and/or CS sucks.
 
Unless you make your own clothes and live off the land you're a hypocrite . Doubtfull as your "online". Just about everything your touching right now is the end product of a petrochemical process. The Middle east produces most of the worlds oil. So weather you like it or not your still supporting them....

"Weather"...what's the weather got to do with it.

Making one's own clothes and living off the land has nothing to do with me (personally) not wanting a handgun manufactured in a Muslim country.

The oil and the weather doesn't have anything to do with it either. I just don't have any desire for...nevermind. :banghead:
 
A bunch of us got to shoot them at SHOT. Everyone was impressed with the quality, price, and how well they shot. Even the one with the weird dovetail sight.
 
If Caracal gets the right kind of distribution going, this may be the best pistol in the sub-$850 price range.

Centerfire Systems has them for ~$400.

When your main competition is Glock its difficult to come in priced higher with a name nobody has heard of.
 
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