Carry Permits or Concealed Carry Permits

[longwatch]

Griz, yeah I wish it could be like Virginia everywhere, actually I wish it could be more like Switzerland. It blew my mind when I was there to see people openly carrying slung assault rifles through train stations.

 

[Gray Peterson]

Shawnee: In Ohio, open carry has been legal for 200 years, but is not a common or sensible practice. Although legal, if you chose to do it, there is nothing stopping someone from calling in "a man with gun". You can be charged with inducing panic in Ohio.

*throws a penalty flag on the play* Can you tell me if there's a state law prohibition against "inducing panic".

Maybe at this current time with all of the city ordinances, maybe, but after HB347 takes effect, no. HB347 preempts all "carrying" laws and specifically identifies firearms ownership, possession, and carrying as a constitutional right. In the case of Klein v. Leis, the Supreme Court stated that due to the fact that one can carry openly in order to avoid the CCW ban at that point, the CCW ban was constitutional. Thus the open carry marches that started up.

Keep in mind that I'm speaking as someone who's been confronting a really bad law in Washington State that's been interpreted by some law enforcement as a total open carry ban. Ohio does not have the same problem.

 

[gopguy]

Shawnee, I think you have a number of misconceptions about carrying and the law. You need to do more than sniff about the law and actually read it before you possibly get yourself in trouble. I suggest these links to get you up to speed.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/index.php

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/prevention/concealcarry/index.asp


While open carry without a license is permitted you have the problem of getting there. You may not carry a handgun in your car without a license unless you have it unloaded in a locked case. If you get caught with it in your car without a license you have just committed a crime.

Without a license you will not be able to fight off a car jacker and imagine the stares as you strap on your gun in the parking lot of your destination.

Every couple years I have "sniffed" at the "carry permit" rules to see if they would really provide a benefit to me that I need and don't have without one of the permits. So far, and in the context of the life I lead, the carry permits are essentially worthless. In fact, they are really nothing but gun registration - in the context of my life.

A most bizzare and ill informed statement. Crime in my experience happens in cities, and in the countryside. It happens without warning. I seriously doubt you never venture from your home, hence I think all people who are law abiding and serious about their self preservation would get their CCW license in any state in which they can.

As Linda said they do not register your guns. Again I suggest you go to the links and read.

Open carry does announce you are armed......concealed carry leaves them wondering if you are armed and thus is a deterent to attack.

I remember a news item from last Spring about a Cleveland woman who ran to the corner convenience store to get breakfast cereal or somthing at about 10pm. She walked in and about 5 minutes later was shot by a robber already in the store. Can't help but think if she had been wearing a Super Blackhawk in plain sight the evening would have likely turned out quite different.

Uh yeah..knowing she was armed he would have shot her as she walked in. Especially as she tries to fumble with a long barreled single action revolver she must cock to fire......sigh...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

The story makes the point that crime happens when most unexpected. By the way I had to say something about the Super Blackhawk. It is great for deer in the proper caliber but not ideal for carry. If you are going about using a single action revolver for defense you are making a very poor choice. Slow in to action and worse on the reload. I stongly suggest you rethink CCW and what you apparently think would make a good defensive handgun for your own sake.

 

[gopguy]

Lonnie we did have some problems as the laws on carrying were murky. If you open carried prior to the fall of 2003 you were likely to get stopped by law enforcement. However when the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that open carry was allowed, all of a sudden you had lots of folks carrying openly and it did freak out the ill informed. I can well remember turning heads as I walked into a Bob Evan's restaurant with a Kimber .45auto on my hip.

There was some harrassment but as long as you did not brandish the gun you could not say anyone was inducing panic by exercising the restored right to carry for defense. Enough news stories got out that eventually that calmed down. One of the reasons people like Linda and I did the open carry walks en masse in Ohio was to inform people. It worked out nicely. In the end the state legislature finally passed a CCW law and now most folks carry concealed. In fact about the only time I see anyone openly carry is on a motor cycle. Or as required until March 14, in a car.

You can read about our law here.

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/prevention/concealcarry/index.asp

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit was originally intended
to be concealed, but to avoid unnecessary prosecutions over
accidental exposure (say, the wind blows the jacket open and
shows the holster), it was decided to drop "concealed".

It is actually more concealed carry prefered. Open carry is not
common (I have seen open carry once in the past two years)
but the authors of the legislation felt that accidental
unconcealment should not be a chargable offense.

One reason I got a carry permit was the fact that I go to
my uncle's property to shoot and have to cross several
jurisdictions--Kingsport city and the counties of Sullivan,
Hawkins, Greene and Washington. While target practice is
a justification for transporting a gun, it is also often used
as an excuse to go armed. So having a permit to carry for
defense just removes that question. Then, two friends of
my brother were killed by a car jacker which drove home the
unfortunate necessity of being armed for defense, especially
in the boondocks (Bear Hollow is a deadzone for cell phones).

 

[CNYCacher]

Open carry draws attention, scares many people, and can result in calls to the police with resulting inconvenient reactions. It can also make you a target for somone who wants your gun. Also, the bad guys, who most likely will carry concealed, have a better chance to get the drop on you

A gun in your home can kill your child

Both of the preceeding statements are based on emotion and imagination, instead of facts.

Would TooTaxed care to provide a source of statistics which illustrate how often open carry results in these incidents?

 

[TooTaxed]

CNYCacher, my comments are the result of discussions over the years with perhaps a dozen police officers, a number of whom quoted incidents. "Man with Gun" reports makes the responding police rather nervous and touchy...and the carrier should not assume otherwise. Some baddies who see your gun would like to acquire it for their own purposes if given an opportunity.

As a civilian contractor in Vietnam I frequently carried a French MAT 49 9-mm submachinegun, wire stock collapsed, bolt cocked, and magazine in folded position under the barrel in a standard Samsonite briefcase. All I had to do was to snap the magazine down and pull the trigger. Two fellows I knew were robbed of their carry guns...and there were reports of others.