Carrying in Church
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snubby
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S&W 340 PD in a front pocket Desantis Nemesis. Wife keeps her Charter Arms 38 Spl in her purse.
Poohgyrr
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For those who can carry,
I haven't seen any postings about the terrorist thing. Those extremists are anti USA, anti Christian, and other anti-things. The USA is basically a Christian country, and fairly good authority has it that they will eventually do the same things here, in the USA, that they have already done elsewhere. Like attack our churches and schools. Probably not on a "large" scale, but it will happen somewhere. I probably can't do much about a bomb, but I can shoot back.
Hopefully I'll never have to.
Best wishes and good health.
I haven't seen any postings about the terrorist thing. Those extremists are anti USA, anti Christian, and other anti-things. The USA is basically a Christian country, and fairly good authority has it that they will eventually do the same things here, in the USA, that they have already done elsewhere. Like attack our churches and schools. Probably not on a "large" scale, but it will happen somewhere. I probably can't do much about a bomb, but I can shoot back.
Hopefully I'll never have to.
Best wishes and good health.
Seminole
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I usually carry my USPc .40 IWB with a Kel-Tec P32 in the pants pocket. When it gets so hot that wearing a coat for even just the few yards from my air-conditioned car to the air-conditioned building is insufferable, I'll be down to just the Kel-Tec. I have carried a Makarov in a pocket holster, but I have to have just the right pair of pants and, of course, it's pretty heavy.
Ala Dan:
That actually happened at my current church about a year before I arrived. Some guy just walked up to the pulpit, picked up the collection basket and just walked right out while about 1/3 of the people were waiting to file out the doors. Being in Maryland, nobody tried to stop him. :banghead:
Current solution is two of the ushers take the basket and put it into a drop safe after Mass is concluded, but I know none of them are packing more than a pocket knife (my dad's one of the ushers).
Kharn
That actually happened at my current church about a year before I arrived. Some guy just walked up to the pulpit, picked up the collection basket and just walked right out while about 1/3 of the people were waiting to file out the doors. Being in Maryland, nobody tried to stop him. :banghead:
Current solution is two of the ushers take the basket and put it into a drop safe after Mass is concluded, but I know none of them are packing more than a pocket knife (my dad's one of the ushers).
Kharn
It is unconstitutional to ban carry in churches on more than just 2nd Amend. grounds. Interferring with religions is forbidden by the Constitution unless the religion is doing something dangerous - like human sacrifice.
The rational for banning guns is that they are a danger. However if CCW exists then the danger of carrying is said by the state to be minimal. Bans exist in places of danger like courthouses and bars.
However, you cannot identify a specific danger due to the nature of a church. The ban is because the church is "holy". Well, since when does the state the metaphysical characteristics of a church and the conditions under which someone can worship - given it is not a danger.
Thus such bans are against the 1st Amend.
This argument is not original to me. I read it on GT.
The rational for banning guns is that they are a danger. However if CCW exists then the danger of carrying is said by the state to be minimal. Bans exist in places of danger like courthouses and bars.
However, you cannot identify a specific danger due to the nature of a church. The ban is because the church is "holy". Well, since when does the state the metaphysical characteristics of a church and the conditions under which someone can worship - given it is not a danger.
Thus such bans are against the 1st Amend.
This argument is not original to me. I read it on GT.
HadEmAll
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I usually carry one of my "little" guys, a Ruger SP101, a Kahr K40 or a S&W 457. At 1 o'clock in a Don Hume IWB. Catholic church, very relaxed dress code.
dairycreek
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Carry in church!
Of course! And everywhere else that is legal as well. Some years ago I had the responsibility of taking the money from the Sunday's collection to be depositied in the lock box safe at the bank. I was usually carrying several thousands of dollars to be deposited and the bank was in a bad part of town. Do you think I was carrying then? Bet your life! Good shooting
Of course! And everywhere else that is legal as well. Some years ago I had the responsibility of taking the money from the Sunday's collection to be depositied in the lock box safe at the bank. I was usually carrying several thousands of dollars to be deposited and the bank was in a bad part of town. Do you think I was carrying then? Bet your life! Good shooting
TonyB
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I carry mostly because our ushers are CLUELESS...if someone did come in w/ evil intent,they wouldn't know it till it was too late.I carry my usual CCW.Sp101 w/ 38+p+jhp, and an extra speedloader.My Pastor knows I carry and his wife actually said she feels SAFER when I carry.People w/ brains..gotta love em.
A shooting buddy of mine is a pastor too....he and most of his ushers carry......makes for HUGE offerings!!
A shooting buddy of mine is a pastor too....he and most of his ushers carry......makes for HUGE offerings!!
chaim said:
I would agree with your statement, and expand on it.
Not only is anti-semitism on the rise, but so is anti-Christianity.
(Maybe because of our support of the State of Israel, or the exclusive nature of our message.)
As someone else mentioned, the Wedgewood Baptist shootings were an eye-opener to me.
I used to frequently leave my wife practicing with the choir, or leave my kids at some kind of youth event.
Not anymore. Now I hang around.
If I were a Muslim, with the current situation here in the U.S. I think I would carry to the Mosque.
I saw an article about the (lack of) media interest in the Wedgewood shootings.
They did a Nexis search on news articles about the shooting.
If I'm not mistaken, there were way less than 100 articles.
Though the gunman was heard by several witness to making anit-Christian remarks, it was not ruled a hate crime.
The author of the article had done a search on articles about one of the infamous murders of a homosexual. (Maybe the Matthew Sheppard case?)
Again, if memory serves, there were 10 times as many stories, and it was labeled a hate crime.
Carry in church?
P32 in Don Hume pocket holster, or PM9 in Uncle Mike's pocket holster.
I would agree with your statement, and expand on it.
Not only is anti-semitism on the rise, but so is anti-Christianity.
(Maybe because of our support of the State of Israel, or the exclusive nature of our message.)
As someone else mentioned, the Wedgewood Baptist shootings were an eye-opener to me.
I used to frequently leave my wife practicing with the choir, or leave my kids at some kind of youth event.
Not anymore. Now I hang around.
If I were a Muslim, with the current situation here in the U.S. I think I would carry to the Mosque.
I saw an article about the (lack of) media interest in the Wedgewood shootings.
They did a Nexis search on news articles about the shooting.
If I'm not mistaken, there were way less than 100 articles.
Though the gunman was heard by several witness to making anit-Christian remarks, it was not ruled a hate crime.
The author of the article had done a search on articles about one of the infamous murders of a homosexual. (Maybe the Matthew Sheppard case?)
Again, if memory serves, there were 10 times as many stories, and it was labeled a hate crime.
Carry in church?
P32 in Don Hume pocket holster, or PM9 in Uncle Mike's pocket holster.
RustyHammer
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Praise G-d, Hallelujah, a man Sister .. .. ... PASS THE AMMO!
benEzra
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Large churches are among the "softest" targets in the United States, and some churches have thousands of people attending.
Also bear in mind that in Pakistan, Al-Qaeda terrorists HAVE shot up Christian churches (typical MO was a rifle and grenade attack by several assailants, IIRC).
Also bear in mind that in Pakistan, Al-Qaeda terrorists HAVE shot up Christian churches (typical MO was a rifle and grenade attack by several assailants, IIRC).
Seminole
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spacemanspiff
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i've carried my steyr m9, holstered in my coat pocket, until i got a tuckable, and now i carry my kimber tle ii with that.
22luvr
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Here is a true statement............
The places where guns are needed the most are the places where they're liable to be illegal!
That being said, I carry my NAA mini-revolver .22MAG every Sunday discreetely. Although I have not asked around, I'm sure there are a lot more like me toting, including the many LEO's that are part of our church family.
I'll willingly and gladly share my resources with those in need but........If someone tries to take something that's mine by force, they might catch a bullet instead. I have NOOOO problem spiritually justifying that statement and never have.
The places where guns are needed the most are the places where they're liable to be illegal!
That being said, I carry my NAA mini-revolver .22MAG every Sunday discreetely. Although I have not asked around, I'm sure there are a lot more like me toting, including the many LEO's that are part of our church family.
I'll willingly and gladly share my resources with those in need but........If someone tries to take something that's mine by force, they might catch a bullet instead. I have NOOOO problem spiritually justifying that statement and never have.
sig970
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My Church gun is a Sig P239 in 9mm
user4574
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p99 .40sw carried in a blk galco angle hip holster at the 6 oclock.
possum
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i do, i carry my normal ccw, either my xd, or kahr. I know some of you are gonan say "that is illegal, and you are not alowed to carry at public gatherings." That is true but also Georgia has a law that states that people with certain jobs, Ie military, police, and many more actually are exempt from alot of the restricted areas of carry.
TheGrimReaper
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I always take a gun to church. Alot of times it is a NAA mini revolver .22mag in my front pocket.
Treo
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What caliber for zombie thread?
jjohnson
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No, but Maybe Soon.
Well, no, I never do, unless kind of by chance the CCW is one that's in my coat in a Nemesis holster and I simply didn't bother to leave it behind.
I know, s**t can hit the fan anywhere, anytime, and it usually does. Like many churchgoers, I feel a (perhaps false) sense of security at a church. One of my 2009 goals is to carry more often, entirely because you can't predict when and where you'd need it. I don't feel constrained by any moral or religious standard to NOT carry.
So... yeah, probably. You never know, CCW permits may soon be more difficult to get - may as well "do the getting while the getting is good."
Well, no, I never do, unless kind of by chance the CCW is one that's in my coat in a Nemesis holster and I simply didn't bother to leave it behind.
I know, s**t can hit the fan anywhere, anytime, and it usually does. Like many churchgoers, I feel a (perhaps false) sense of security at a church. One of my 2009 goals is to carry more often, entirely because you can't predict when and where you'd need it. I don't feel constrained by any moral or religious standard to NOT carry.
So... yeah, probably. You never know, CCW permits may soon be more difficult to get - may as well "do the getting while the getting is good."
Quoheleth
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Also, hug first to your weak side. I'm big enough (ahem...gotta work on that in 2009) that most people at church can hardly reach around me. Plus, as the pastor, I don't have a tendency to do to many "full body hugs." Don't want the misses to become jealous
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