Carrying in Church

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Yeah, Notorius, you gottit. Well, on second thought, I forgot....the attacker has rights also. Maybe we should just subdue him, take him to court, then on to rehabilitation, then through a half way house, then gradually mix him back into society with an ankle brace so we'd know where he is at all times (not know what he's doing though which would again be violating his rights). Then after his second offense, take him back through the same routine mentioned above but let him know that we're serious and that if it happens again, stronger measures will be taken. Then when he again breaks the law.................wait a minute, forget it.......I like my first scenerio best!!!!

Rockwell, I congratulate you on having a wife that is proactive. My wife isn't anti-gun and is very comfortable with me carrying, even encourages it. However she has no desire to go to the range and shoot.......much less carry so I drop it right there! But I do strongly agree with your alternative......
 
Well, for the 2nd time in 2 weeks, our church property has been burglarized. Two weeks ago, our youth building was broken into. A 26" TV, DVD/VCR, and stereo were stolen - about $400 worth of electronics - and they did $700 worth of damage to the door & door frame (had to be completely replaced with new locks). Tonight, I returned to church for a 7pm meeting after leaving at 3:45. Between those times, someone broke into our tractor/utility shed and stole about $400 worth of lawn equipment.

Good news: no one was hurt. Only stuff.
Bad news: $5000 deductable, and this is two separate incidents - can't aggregate towards the deductable, anyway.
"good" news: Neither event was close to hitting the deductable.

I'm the pastor. Took the Texas CHL last month and am waiting for my plastic. As soon as it comes, I'll have my SP101 with me.

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I hear ya... I laugh at the CCW badges and never seen a sheepdog pin. I am not advocating any CHL holder to act like the police but I also don't want them to be passive in the face of evil.

I guess I see sheepdog as anyone who will not lie down and be a victim while waiting for the government to save them.
 
Sorry to hear about your losses but so proud that you obviously feel the way you do about self defense. I would like to have been present when Christ kicked out the money changers while showing some temper!!
 
We have a security system in our main building. For some reason, when the security system was installed 8 years ago, they didn't want to drop the coin on securing the youth building. Our shed isn't secure enough, that when the wind blows the doors rattle - we would have too many false alarms.

[sigh] Saved a few nickles, lost $1000 worth of goods.

FWIW, I know carrying won't stop theft. But it may save my life, someday, as I'm up there by myself lots of times and we're in a secluded place.

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edit: Christ kicking the $$-changers out of the temple is this Sunday's Gospel lesson; John 2.
 
Notorius.......

It's sure good to know that others feel exactly the way that I do!!!! I certainly don't want the job of a policeman but at the same time, I don't want to have to wait for him to arrive either (usually to fill out the report of what happened). I certainly don't go patrolling to fight crime but if I happen to be present when some one's life is in danger from a thug, I won't stand by wringing my hands in horror at what I see happening. I'll let the ACLU and others in that category handle the hand wringing!
 
Ole Codger, I felt that way since I was a kid... that we should never have to back down from evil because the only appropriate response to force used against you is overwhelming force in return to ensure victory. There's no 2nd place when evil comes looking for you.

Of course, I am a cop now so I am a different position than what the other guy was talking about with CCW badge wearers.
 
I believe God charges us with certain duties or responsibilites, among which is included the defense of innocent life.

And I find it amazing, that regular decent people generally continue living their chosen lifestyle (paying bills, working, raising families, recreation that does not get them booked into jail, etc...), whether or not they choose to CCW. These folks demonstrate this in the way they live their lives everyday.

Of course the thugs also generally demonstrate their chosen lifestyle (robbery, theft, murder, etc...) as well. They let their actions speak for themselves, as the saying goes...

A person who insists on disarming regular decent people, and accusing us of acting like thugs, is not a friend; and generally is either brainwashed, or has another motive in mind and is not to be trusted.

Our Mothers should not be mandated to stand toe to toe and punch it out with strong tough street thugs.....

This is pretty simple.....
 
The pastor was a bit disturbed and said he prefer that we didn't in the house of God but I told him no disrespect, Padre, but we have reasons why we always carry. I don't think he realized we were all cops.

Once he realized it, he let it go. On second thought, I recall seeing many paintings and artwork depicting a knight with his weapons inside a church, so there's probably not a prohibition against weapons in a house of worship.
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For what it's worth, we have a couple local Pastors who, during memorial services for fallen Officers, have told us we are God's soldiers and meant to take the fight to the bad guys.

My opinion, responsible CCW doesn't mean you are hunting thugs or being Dirty Harry like some people say, but being ready to responsibly defend your family is part of being a good Christian, regardless of denomination.

Like it has been mentioned or suggested throughout this thread, not every Pastor, or other people, welcomes responsible concealed carry inside Church. While I strongly disagree, I do respect their right to have an opinion, and generally do not attend their services.
 
For what it's worth, we have a couple local Pastors who, during memorial services for fallen Officers, have told us we are God's soldiers and meant to take the fight to the bad guys.

My opinion, responsible CCW doesn't mean you are hunting thugs or being Dirty Harry like some people say, but being ready to responsibly defend your family is part of being a good Christian, regardless of denomination.

Like it has been mentioned or suggested throughout this thread, not every Pastor, or other people, welcomes responsible concealed carry inside Church. While I strongly disagree, I do respect their right to have an opinion, and generally do not attend their services.
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I agree with the Pastor's right to not want people to carry inside his church building but I do not believe it is God's policy to disarm his flock at the door to his house. I strongly think the individual Pastor's opinion is just that, his/her opinion on how to run his/her particular congregation.

I have never heard of anyone being disarmed in history while going inside a Judeo-Christian church building as a rule, and the times I have, it was only by particular bishops or regimes as a power play, which indicates to me that there is no fixed rule by God but rather by man and his whims.

As a matter of fact, to take it further, God said our body is the temple so are we not to have weapons on our bodies too?
 
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