Cartridge Identification?

[wankerjake]

Need some help fellers. What brass is this? It's LC brass, case dimensions about like a 30-06 except the case neck/mouth is belled and measures .244" on the inside...

I still think it's some kind of 30-06 but not sure why the case neck is the way it is...

What other info do you need??

 

[VINTAGE-SLOTCARS]

Blanks ??

 

[Reloadron]

They look to be either blanks or cartridges for firing rifle grenades.They would be 30-06 cartridges.

http://www.ammogarand.com/3006-blanks-30-m1909-for-m1-gara3006301909119191903.html

Ron

 

[wankerjake]

I thought that too for a minute but they are not powdered... they are primed.

 

[wankerjake]

They look to be either blanks or cartridges for firing rifle grenades.They would be 30-06 cartridges.

http://www.ammogarand.com/3006-blanks-30-m1909-for-m1-gara3006301909119191903.html

Ron

Yeah that looks like them. Now, I wonder if I can resize those necks and load them??

 

[243winxb]

Blank http://www.tuffsteel.com/manuals/armyammodata.pdf Page 5-23 M1909

 

[wankerjake]

Thanks guys. I have a bunch of this. I have plenty of brass and primers though, I don't think I will try and load it.

 

[Reloadron]

Yeah that looks like them. Now, I wonder if I can resize those necks and load them??

I wouldn't screw with them. Rumor control had it the brass was not to the same quality standards as standard 30-06 brass. For what you would gain I just would not try and make those cases into standard loaded 30-06 ammunition.

Ron

 

[wankerjake]

Agreed

 

[Hondo 60]

There's no way in heck I'd reload those.
You just don't know what pressures they can handle.

 

[ReloaderFred]

They are .30-06 Blank brass, and originally had a red cardboard seal inside the case mouth, which why the heavy crimp. The cardboard was lacquered. Grenade launching .30-06 rounds had a case mouth with vertical crimping grooves that came to a point at the case mouth.

You're smart to not reload those, but they will take a light load for plinking, but nothing approaching full power loads.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[kingmt]

I'm not suggesting to load them because I don't know if they would work or not.

It would be surprising if they weren't up to handling the pressure considering the hard quick blast of pressure that blanks have to produce. The powder makes Tightgroup look wimpy.

 

[wankerjake]

There's no powder in them. But yeah I'm not gonna load them.

 

[fguffey]

http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=introduction-to-30-06-cartridges

If you scroll down to 'BLANKS' you should find a picture of your cartridge.

F. Guffey

 

[mdi]

Yep, blanks. I got a few with an order of once fired brass a couple years ago. I did a bit of research and found them to be blanks. The ring crimped into the neck will not size out. I tried a couple sizing dies, and tried annealing the necks, but some of the ring always stayed. Drop them in your scrap bucket...

 

[Reloadron]

If you want to be cool and have a pile of them you could always buy 30-06 1919A4 Links Browning Machine Gun 1000 Count. Run the brass through a tumbler till it is nice and clean shiny then during your idle time start linking them up. As my neighbor would say they would be "mighty decative".

Ron

 

[Lafitte]

Blanks-----put 'em in the scrap bucket.

Lafitte

 

[Jim Watson]

In my younger years, I loaded some FREE blanks into ammo.
I ironed out the crimp well enough with an M die and seated whatever I was using at the time, probably a 130 gr Speer JHP, and shot them in my 1903 Remington sporter. They shot ok but I got nervous about the "reject brass for blanks" stories, so I did not REload them.

 

[deadeye dick]

They are .30-06 Blank brass, and originally had a red cardboard seal inside the case mouth, which why the heavy crimp. The cardboard was lacquered. Grenade launching .30-06 rounds had a case mouth with vertical crimping grooves that came to a point at the case mouth.

You're smart to not reload those, but they will take a light load for plinking, but nothing approaching full power loads.

Hope this helps.

Fred

EXACTLY, We used them in the M1 in the 60's U.S. Army Red for blanks. Brought back a lot of them for kicks, still got em

 

[wankerjake]

So these don't have the red insert, they are just primed... They gonna cycle in a garand?

 

[kingmt]

You

In my younger years, I loaded some FREE blanks into ammo.
I ironed out the crimp well enough with an M die and seated whatever I was using at the time, probably a 130 gr Speer JHP, and shot them in my 1903 Remington sporter. They shot ok but I got nervous about the "reject brass for blanks" stories, so I did not REload them.

You replace the powder?

 

[Jim Watson]

Oh yeah.
EC Blank powder is very nearly an explosive, they once loaded hand grenades with it.

 

[Reloadron]

So these don't have the red insert, they are just primed... They gonna cycle in a garand?

I believe to cycle an M1 Garand using blanks you need a BFA (Blank Firing Adaptor). Less having a BFA you will end up manually cycling the rifle. You also may want to check in detail which BFA ia used with which cartridge. There are blanks like seen in this thread and also star crimp blanks (no red cardboard).

I know with the M14 we had to use the BFA for cycling the rifle when doing cerimonial details like burials. The M1 Garand also uses a BFA.

Ron

 

[wankerjake]

Thanks.

 

[fguffey]

The ring crimped into the neck will not size out. I tried a couple sizing dies, and tried annealing the necks, but some of the ring always stayed. Drop them in your scrap bucket...

If the cases were designated cases for blanks the head stamp would indicated it. And then there were fired cases with a different designation. 10+ years ago a reloader formed blanks into 8mm57 cases; the artifact of the old case was a dead giveaway. Shoving the expander through the small neck was tough on the expander assemble and for those that measure case length before and again after found the process shortened the case length because of the amount effort.

Forgot; he sold the formed cases on EBay.

F. Guffey