CBI pistol powder in 9 mm and .357 mag

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There's hardly any data available for this pistol powder. I was told that it was developed for the 9 mm military ammo. In 9 mm I use this with 5.0 grains of powder. With a 128 grain powder coated cast bullet seated to about 1.148 oal. Works well with multiple pistols. This is a compressed load. Have not chronoed yet. From what I have seen most people who use this powder believe this is about standard for this weight of bullet. My mold is supposed to be 124 grain. But it drops at 128 grains.

As to the .357 mag I found virtually nothing. So I started with a 158 grain cast powder coated bullet. Based on the burning rate I decided that I would start with 6 grains in a .357 mag casing with a small pistol magnum primer. I was measuring powder charges and then I switched to a Lee dipper 1.0 cc size and it was getting very close to 6.0 grains every time. So if you use these 1.0 is a good start my case oal is 1.6 and is almost a compressed load. I tested these in a 4 inch s&w revolver. These felt a little stronger than a 38 spl load. I haven't had a chance to chrono this yet. But was a very nice target load. Will report when I chrono them . And I may try 6.4 grains next time.
 
I use cbi in 9mm. As much as will fit is the right amount. About 5.5gr, a full case for 115gr bullets, if your lot is like mine.
I tried to figure out where cbi came from and I think it's used in 155mm torpedo ignitors.
 
I got 32lb for about $450 shipped during "2 weeks to flatten the curve". (Not all of it was for me). Looks like that was a good buy.
I would say they raised their hazmat charges a lot.

My 357mag load is a 125gr bullet over 6.5gr of cbi in a 38spl case. But do not fire them in a 38spl. Those are between 38spl+p and the low end of 357mag. Plus I only have have short bbl 357mags. It's so fluffy that 6.5gr fills the case about 2/3, so no chance of a double charge.
 
No data but any slightly experienced reloader with a chronograph can make a load. CBI appears to burn about like universal to HP38 for burn speed and it's super fluffy like trail boss.

My load for 45acp is 6.5gr under a 230gr fmj. Clean burning hard hitting. For the start load I would say load up 5.5gr with a 230gr bullet and look for around 770fps. And work up to 6.5gr.
 
Has anyone done extrapolating on the cbi load data cdvs provides to other calibers ( tok, 44mag, 44/40, 500 s&w would be of particular interest) . Standard safety disclaimers of course apply.
 
Loading CBI in 9mm, 45acp, and hot 38spl quasi 357mag shows my CBI burns about like universal, HP38.
My old speer13 manual has universal and W231/HP38 loads for 240gr 44mag and 44spl. The start load for 44spl for those powders is 6.8 for universal and 6.3 for w231.
For 44mag the max load for those powders is 10gr.
So what I would do in a 44mag with 240gr bullets is start at 7gr. Since 6.5gr under a 230gr bullet is my 45acp load and didn't blow up my 1911. And work up from there, looking for a max velocity of around 1,100fps with 9 to 10gr of powder being max load.
I normally load 44mag with H110 or AA9 since I have 44mag rifle and 8.5 inch revolver.
I say load develop and make a bunch of what shoots straightest in your gun.
 
I feel slightly better with other people noticing a similar pattern with fps compared with hp38 for example.
 
Would it be wrong to look at the case capacity and run a percentage based off the comparison of the two to extrapolate the load data or am I far off in thinking that's viable.
 
HP38 is about twice the density of CBI.
So don't take this the wrong way, but what does that add ? If by weight they get the same/similar results then density is moot point except maybe in the bigger cases where I don't see hp38 being a common powder.
I'm more curious if folks had actually done experimenting in it before trying to reinvent the wheel. And the search function only nets so many results here or other forums.
 
HP38 is about twice the density of CBI.
I think you mean CBI is half the density of HP38, so the volume of CBI is double the volume of HP38 for the same charge weight.
Density deals with volume; weight deals with mass. And, F=ma, always and everywhere.
 
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I don't care about density unless it's a compressed load. I'm more asking weight of charge for other than the generic listed calibers.
 
Well I run 6.5gr with a 125gr bullet in a 38spl case. Which is hotter than 38spl+p but not quite your typical 357mag start load velocity with faster powder.
For 9mm I only load 115gr and 5.5gr, which fills the case and is compressed.
 
Lead free primers have come up in other discussions.
I believe cbi would make an excellent lead free primer propellant.
As cbi is lower density single base flake.
And the lead free primers are having trouble lighting up high density ballpowders.
 
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