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Does anyone know of a place online that has CCI #34 primers in stock? I cant seem to find any and I need some to reload for my Garand.
I've got at least one reloading manual with a strong caution that the NATO spec primers must be used in firearms with floating firing pins, specifically mentioning CCI #34. I ain't saying you're wrong, but I'd sure like to know what you have to back that up before I ignore that caution.Sunray said:Regular large rifle primers will work just fine. CCI #34 primers are a marketing gimmick. They're just a magnum primer. Mind you, you'll have to work up the load again.
sunray said:Regular large rifle primers will work just fine. CCI #34 primers are a marketing gimmick. They're just a magnum primer. Mind you, you'll have to work up the load again.
NOTE: Many variants of the SKS rifle lack a firing pin retractor spring. These may inadvertently slam-fire (the cartridge fires as the bolt closes). High-seated primers, misfitted firing pins, incorrect headspaces and dirty chambers can contribute to this phenomenon. Seat all primers .003" to .005" below flush and keep the chamber clean. If your rifle slam-fires, discontinue its use immediately until you can have the rifle checked by a gunsmith familiar with these rifles. The CCI No. 34 primer has mil-spec sensitivity and can reduce the chance of a slam-fire.
Q: What are CCI No. 34 and NO. 41 primers?
A: They are special rifle primers made to military sensitivity specs. They are one method to reduce the occurrence of slam-fires in gas-operated, military semi-auto rifles. See the Speer Reloading Manual for more details. No. 34 and No. 41 primers are MAGNUM primers.
Slam-fires
A slam-fire is the discharging of a cartridge in a firearm by the closing of the bolt without a pull of the trigger. In most cases this is a phenomenon associated with military-style sem-automatic rifles and handloaded ammunition. The slam-fire can be caused by a high primer or by a heavy, unsprung firing pin. High primers contribute to slam-fires because the closing bolt drives the high primer cup against its anvil. All handloads must be checked for high primers; this caution is even more important when shooting military-style semi-auto rifles.
Slam-fires have been reported even when primers were properly seated. Many semi-auto service rifles have no firing pin spring and the firing pin itself is quite heavy. The inertia of the firing pin may cause it to snap forward as the bolt stops, firing the cartridge. If the bolt is not yet fully locked, the result can be a ruptured case with the potential for gun damage and injury to the shooter. Military primers are less sensitive than commercial primers to minimize this hazard.
In 1994, CCI introduced the No. 34 and No. 41 primers for military semi-auto rifles. The No. 34 primer is ballistically equivalent to the CCI 250 Magnum primer, and the No. 41 is equivalent to the CCI 450 Magnum primer. Any load showing a CCI 250 or 450 primer can be assembled with the No. 34 and No. 41 primer respectively. No. 34 primers are recommended for reloading 7.62mm NATO, 30-06 and 7.62x39 ammo for military semi-auto firearms. The No. 41 primers are recommended for 5.56mm NATO and 30 Carbine.
No. 34 and No.41 primers feature mil-spec sensitivity to minimize slam-fires. However, no primer can provide 100% protection against slam-fires if the loader doesn't seat the primers deeply enough, or the rifle has a headspace problem or an out-of-spec firing pin.
For an excellent discussion of slam-fires and their solutions, pick up a copy of The U.S. 30 Caliber Gas-Operated Service Rifles: A Shop Manual by Jerry Kuhnhausen, published by Heritage Gun Books (PO Box 887, McCall, ID 83638).
CCI #34 primers are a marketing gimmick.
I'm going with 'marketing gimmic' myself.
He was shooting "American Eagle" factory 30-06 loads. (150 grain, FMJ) and in the Offhand Slow fire stage (single loading, no clips) he had a slam fire just releasing the bolt. Scared the bejesus out of the guy shooting. (I had finished, cleared my gun and was sitting back and watching the guys who were smart enough to have not rushed like did
Federal primers are well known to be 'soft' or 'sensitive' I won't use them in an autoloader.
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