guyfromohio
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Pblanc.... I really can't say enough about the P99AS. Fantastic weapon. Buds has them for $499 right now. Usually go for $530ish.
CCW - Action Type and reason(s) for the preference?
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Chuck R.
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You left off effective, and a lot of folks would trade "comfortable" for concealable and even that's pretty subjective.
But suppose you already had your 3 covered, what would you look at next??
Chuck
Action type falls under 'easy to use controls'.
And of course you left off effective, or at least 'sufficient cartridge'. There are .22lr, .32 ACP, etc, pistols that meet those three requirements but obviously wouldn't be a first, or second, or third choice for most anybody (there are exceptions, but generally, no)
Zerodefect
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Glock or 1911 for me.
Glock
+fast to draw with a fast 1st shot
+easy reset and quick aimed rapid fire
+despite feeling terrible, it works really well
-be careful and slow reholstering it. No safety.
-could use a little work and fine tuning
1911
+lightest, nicest pistol trigger of all the semi-autos.
+crisp break
+safest action IMO.
+great for one handed manipulation because of kids or carbine.
+redundant safeties
-expensive for good one
I despise DA/SA pistols. They just don't work for me. And DAO is obsolete to me now that I can get striker fired pistols that are the same CCW size.
Glock
+fast to draw with a fast 1st shot
+easy reset and quick aimed rapid fire
+despite feeling terrible, it works really well
-be careful and slow reholstering it. No safety.
-could use a little work and fine tuning
1911
+lightest, nicest pistol trigger of all the semi-autos.
+crisp break
+safest action IMO.
+great for one handed manipulation because of kids or carbine.
+redundant safeties
-expensive for good one
I despise DA/SA pistols. They just don't work for me. And DAO is obsolete to me now that I can get striker fired pistols that are the same CCW size.
What gives the 1911 redundant safeties, but not the Glock?
What makes it better for one handed manipulation?
Capacity differences?
Zerodefect
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The 1911 can be shoved into holster for a quick transition back to carbine. Or a quick reholster to grab the kids. I prefer to use a 1911 for all of my carbine training to reduce risk.
I don't do that with Glocks. I use two hands to very carefully reholster the Glock and keep the holster clear of my shirt or jacket. If I'm responsible with little ones, or riding a horse, I prefer the 1911.
As for redundant safeties, the grip safety and thumb safety prevent the 1911 from firing if the trigger is hit from poorly reholstering or whatever. Apply any force to my Glocks trigger, and it fires. No safety.
So if I'm in an exceedingly safe to reholster mindset, it's cocked and locked all the way for me.
JTQ
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With the thumb safety I can lock the slide, trigger, and hammer.
I can now jam my gun in the holster without concern for something fouling the trigger, or possibly racking the slide, or taking the gun out of battery.
Neither the Glock or 1911 are unsafe, but each has their advantages and disadvantages. If I'm throwing a gun across the room against the wall and expecting it not to fire, I'd rather have a Glock than a non-firing pin safety equipped 1911. If I dropped my gun and was trying to catch it, mid-air, I'd rather have a Condition 1, 1911 than a Glock. Gun grab, 1911. Small child picking up a loose gun, 1911. I get my shooting hand thumb shot off in a gunfight, Glock. Everybody's got their own scenario they find more likely and choose the gun that best fits their needs.
Chuck R.
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I wouldn't say that....it really is a personal decision, based on your experience, training level, and flat out preference. You should of course consider the P99, but I wouldn't rule out the PPQ unless you really want a DA/SA.
There are countless people CCWing; Glocks, PPS, PPQs, M&Ps, FNS, etc. etc. without an issue (not to mention how many LE carrying Glocks??????).
The PPQ for instance as some pre-travel (quite a bit actually), almost like a two stage trigger. I carry one often and have zero issues with it. Example,for years I carried a 1911 Condition 1. As part of my draw stroke (step 2) I sweep off the safety as my pistol clears my holster (trigger finger indexed on slide), when I come to full presentation (and decided to shoot) I've got my finger on my 1911 trigger which is 3.5 lbs and has very little take up, way less than your average striker fired pistol.
So for my use, and the way I've trained, the striker fired pistol is actually "safer" than a manual safety.
YMMV..
Chuck
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AlBaron said:
Both are excellent firearms. And both equally as safe as the other. It boils down to preference. If you prefer having that SA ability, go with the P99. If you harp about having a consistent trigger from the first shot to last, the PPQ is your answer. Myself? I prefer the P99. If you put a 9mm P99 and 9mm PPQ in front of me I would go for the P99. However my next purchase will be a PPS which is similar to the PPQ as far as trigger is concerned.
Plan2Live
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Count me in the traditional DA/SA hammer fired crowd. I like the fact that the first trigger pull requires a bit more effort, especially in those situations where I am sitting in my vehicle re-holstering more or less blind behind my back after returning from a location where I can't carry. As for the transition between DA first shot and SA subsequent shots, if I shoot you once I am most likely going to shoot you twice with the second shot coming real quick. I practice shooting from reset so as long as I keep my gun aligned with the target, ripping of shot number two a millisecond faster than I intended and one or two inches off exactly where I wanted it to go at likely self defense distances is not going to matter. Besides, two leaking holes is better than one leaking hole with two rounds through the same hole. That's my take.
guyfromohio
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Op, you would do very well with a P99AS. I also have the "c" compact version. I don't like the feel of it as well as the full size.
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How do you like your CZ in particular?I use all action types, including DAO, SAO, and DA/SA. Probably do my best shooting with the SAO guns but feel equally right at home with the DAO models as well.
jamesjames
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I carry a Kahr PM9 or a S&W 642. I believe in DAO carry as being the safest and most defensible in court. I carry both on the ankle and IWB. I prefer IWB strong side at 4:00. I like Crossbreed-type tuckable holsters as well as PJ Holster minimal thin kydex.
I like ankle carry when I need it to be in deep concealment.
I like ankle carry when I need it to be in deep concealment.
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Whoops, forgot to check in on this thread.
Sorry, I really should have mentioned that I had no idea if any striker-fired gun had that capability existed, but that it seemed an ideal to me. For the record, I don't consider the Glock safe action as a true DA design, since there is no second strike capability.
I've moved away from striker fired, deciding I prefer hammer fired firearms, if for no other reason than being able to holster with my thumb over the hammer. Two of my carry semi-autos are DA/SA which I carry with the safety off, a hold over from my days carrying Glocks.
My other two are HKs with the light LEM trigger.
Most of the time I carry revolvers, all have had trigger jobs. They feel like a Glock trigger in DA.
My other two are HKs with the light LEM trigger.
Most of the time I carry revolvers, all have had trigger jobs. They feel like a Glock trigger in DA.
I carry 1911s, usually .45s, occasionally a .38 Super or 9mm. If I can't carry a 1911 then I pocket or ankle carry a DAO J frame snubby. I've carried both of these types of guns for many years, carried them on duty, compete with them, and I am very comfortable with them.
I carry and have carried all types or actions. I prefer different ones for different reasons. I prefer different guns if given a specific role (woods walking, HD, teotwawki, ect).
However, if I'm honest with myself and someone said, "Pick one gun to strap on day in and day out as a general purpose self defense tool." I know a full size pistol would get real old, real fast.
S&W 642 suits my needs just fine.
However, if I'm honest with myself and someone said, "Pick one gun to strap on day in and day out as a general purpose self defense tool." I know a full size pistol would get real old, real fast.
S&W 642 suits my needs just fine.
Battlespace
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Guess I might as well offer my $0.02 worth. Carried a M1911A1 in my 25+ year career in the Army so am very familiar with it. Carried one for 10+ years as a concealed carry gun but recently switched to a Springfield Armory XDS in .45 ACP. Love the XDS, all the features that made Glock so popular plus a grip safety.
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