gbran
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Striker fired Glock, 1911 SA or revolvers which I'd fire DA if I had to.
CCW - Action Type and reason(s) for the preference?
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Zendude
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Ideally I would carry a DA/SA semiauto. However there are very few that exist in a single stack compact size. I tried a Bersa Thunder and liked it, but it was not reliable enough for EDC. Second choice and current EDC is a revolver.
BlindJustice
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1911 SAO Condition One
Reason? Old lizard brain first handled/shot one 50 years ago,
and qualified for the ribbon USN.
I have a DA/SA CZ 75B in 9x19 it's a full size service pistol,
and would be as heavy and almost as big as a full size 1911.
& no striker fired pistols in the collection.
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Reason? Old lizard brain first handled/shot one 50 years ago,
and qualified for the ribbon USN.
I have a DA/SA CZ 75B in 9x19 it's a full size service pistol,
and would be as heavy and almost as big as a full size 1911.
& no striker fired pistols in the collection.
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Sights on the top, trigger on the bottom, if there's a safety down to fire and up is safe and I'd prefer the trigger have a little feel to it ~4# or more.
ETA I much prefer if I can reach both the safety and trigger with a natural and comfortable grip.
ETA I much prefer if I can reach both the safety and trigger with a natural and comfortable grip.
huntsman
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6 years ago my first CC was DA/SA because it's all I had, then DAO for pocket carry and now I've added a Glock for belt carry.
Comfort for me means a pocket gun that weighs less than a pound(loaded) and a belt gun that weighs 2lbs.
Comfort for me means a pocket gun that weighs less than a pound(loaded) and a belt gun that weighs 2lbs.
TreeDoc
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Glock 26 with a NY #1 trigger installed, IWB at 4:00 most days, Ruger Lcp in my pockect always.
entropy
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The Taurus PT145 and 24/7 series do have true second-strike capability.
Corpral_Agarn
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DA/SA for me.
Much more comfortable in condition one with that 8-10lb first pull and a short 4lb pull after.
I don't struggle with the transition as much (or at all) because the reset is the same every time. My finger moves forward the same amount after each shot.
Much more comfortable in condition one with that 8-10lb first pull and a short 4lb pull after.
I don't struggle with the transition as much (or at all) because the reset is the same every time. My finger moves forward the same amount after each shot.
JTQ
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Be aware of confusing your terms. Conditions of readiness are typically used to describe single action semi-autos. The terms get mucked up when you use them to describe other actions. Condition 1 is chamber loaded, hammer cocked, safety on. I suspect you don't carry your DA/SA gun in such a manner. The gun most likely wouldn't let you.
Carrying your DA/SA pistol with the chamber loaded is most likely what you're doing, not Condition 1.
gwpercle
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Revolver.
Simplicity, reliability , not dependent on ammo to function , no failures to load or eject,
no safety , no slide release lever , no magazine malfunctioning.
You can load all the cylinders , close it and it's ready....no condition 1, 2 or 3 to worry about, can be shot double action or single action.
But don't listen to me, I have learned nothing in the past 50 years, the only gun worth considering is a super dooper plastic wonder 9...according to the "internet experts" .
Gary
Simplicity, reliability , not dependent on ammo to function , no failures to load or eject,
no safety , no slide release lever , no magazine malfunctioning.
You can load all the cylinders , close it and it's ready....no condition 1, 2 or 3 to worry about, can be shot double action or single action.
But don't listen to me, I have learned nothing in the past 50 years, the only gun worth considering is a super dooper plastic wonder 9...according to the "internet experts" .
Gary
JohnBiltz
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I don't want a safety. Preference would be a striker fired gun, Glock by choice. I don't have a problem with a DA/SA pistol. I think the switch from DA to SA is overstated. If you don't have time to cock the gun its going to be close enough in distance where fine accuracy probably is not going to matter. I would also say if I carried Appendix DA/SA would be my choice.
Quality modern semi automatic pistols sure are simple and reliable, that is true.
Corpral_Agarn
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R.Greene
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What makes it dumb?
My DA/SA gun (Canik 55 C100, a CZ75 Compact clone) has an external hammer and a safety, no decocker. The safety can be engaged with hammer down or back. How would you carry it?
My DA/SA gun (Canik 55 C100, a CZ75 Compact clone) has an external hammer and a safety, no decocker. The safety can be engaged with hammer down or back. How would you carry it?
To my way of thinking, a DA/SA pistol with a non-decocking safety more or less defeats much of the point to a DA/SA pistol. The rationale behind a traditional double action (DA/SA) pistol is a longer, heavier first trigger pull to reduce the likelihood of an unintentional discharge in a tense situation or while holstering.
There is the option of carrying with the hammer down and a round chambered, but that requires manually decocking on a live, chambered round. I would much prefer a DA/SA pistol with a decocker and no safety, such as a SIG. The only advantage I can see for a DA/SA pistol with a non-decocking safety over a single action only pistol is second strike capability, and that is a somewhat dubious benefit.
I have several DA/SA pistols with safety/decockers. When I have carried them, it is with a round chambered, hammer decocked, safety off. The safety is taken off after the pistol is holstered.
There is the option of carrying with the hammer down and a round chambered, but that requires manually decocking on a live, chambered round. I would much prefer a DA/SA pistol with a decocker and no safety, such as a SIG. The only advantage I can see for a DA/SA pistol with a non-decocking safety over a single action only pistol is second strike capability, and that is a somewhat dubious benefit.
I have several DA/SA pistols with safety/decockers. When I have carried them, it is with a round chambered, hammer decocked, safety off. The safety is taken off after the pistol is holstered.
I believe in the KISS principle. So, I prefer striker-fired guns in a holster or DAO guns in the pocket.
I believe there are pros to single action, but I don't see them being relevant in a self defense situation (unless you are used to it because you use it so much at the range or in competition). DA/SA I feel adds extra complexity that isn't needed - I prefer consistency over what you get with DA/SA.
I believe there are pros to single action, but I don't see them being relevant in a self defense situation (unless you are used to it because you use it so much at the range or in competition). DA/SA I feel adds extra complexity that isn't needed - I prefer consistency over what you get with DA/SA.
Corpral_Agarn
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If you have a safety then its not dumb. Mine doesn't have a safety. Its just DA/SA with decocker.
If I carried it round in the chamber with hammer back, that would be dangerous, IMO.
if I carried a CZ75, I would carry it hammer down safety off, but that is just a preference.
It's NOT the action that is the deciding issue with CCW. And whether or not it has a thumb safety isn't really an issue either - both sides claim it's safer.
1) it needs to have a trigger light enough and short enough to actually use.
2) Recoil needs to be controlled enough to enjoy practicing with.
3) A slide hold open tells you when it's empty and doesn't force you to rack it to reload.
There are guns out there with 12 pound triggers that require you to pull to the frame to release - if you can. Apparently the liability of not being able to shoot it is up to you, as the legal eagles have counted all the angels dancing on the head of the firing pin and determined you are too unsafe to trust your survivors to not sue them for the egregious triggers some of the CCW guns have. Especially pocket pistols which are by and large all DA with overly long trigger pulls.
Second, you fight like you train - some shoot a completely different gun on the range then empty a few mags of their carry ammo from the CCW gun and call it good. That requires two guns, which is a luxury, and secondly, shooting well enough that the difference is ok with you, another luxury in time and ammo.
Just shoot the one gun. And in the process you quickly find out which are knuckle busters you actually hate to shoot, which does go to introducing that into the equation just when you need to pull the trigger. IE - reaction to learned discomfort. Better a soft shooting gun a tad larger than you like than a all comfortable tiny pocket piece that is notorious for ripping recoil. "Unpleasant to shoot for long periods" is a gun reviewers comment that needs more attention.
Last, why give up the one feature that modern firearms demonstrate increases firepower and reduces downtime in a shootout? If you don't prefer wheel guns due to the method of reloading, add no slide lock to the list of things downrating a pistol. It is the one feature that makes the AR better than the AK, for the same issues - you don't have to compress a tightly loaded mag against the slide to engage the mag lock, you don't have to rack it against that load adding friction to what may already be a tough spring, and you only have to drop the slide release to get back in action. The mag doesn't drop out and leave you stuck with a one shot - or worse, disconnected and functionless gun.
SA or DA, you can get triggers on both sides of the weight and pulls available. Hammer or striker, you can get second strike or not. Actions and triggers aren't the important features, all types work as well or as poorly at the "other guys" gun.
It's the actual weight of the trigger and length of pull, how much recoil, and a slide hold open that enhance use and comfort. Ignore them and you get a punishing gun hard to use and which gets in the way of shooting.
Amazing that some would prefer qualities that make things worse but it's America, get what you like.
1) it needs to have a trigger light enough and short enough to actually use.
2) Recoil needs to be controlled enough to enjoy practicing with.
3) A slide hold open tells you when it's empty and doesn't force you to rack it to reload.
There are guns out there with 12 pound triggers that require you to pull to the frame to release - if you can. Apparently the liability of not being able to shoot it is up to you, as the legal eagles have counted all the angels dancing on the head of the firing pin and determined you are too unsafe to trust your survivors to not sue them for the egregious triggers some of the CCW guns have. Especially pocket pistols which are by and large all DA with overly long trigger pulls.
Second, you fight like you train - some shoot a completely different gun on the range then empty a few mags of their carry ammo from the CCW gun and call it good. That requires two guns, which is a luxury, and secondly, shooting well enough that the difference is ok with you, another luxury in time and ammo.
Just shoot the one gun. And in the process you quickly find out which are knuckle busters you actually hate to shoot, which does go to introducing that into the equation just when you need to pull the trigger. IE - reaction to learned discomfort. Better a soft shooting gun a tad larger than you like than a all comfortable tiny pocket piece that is notorious for ripping recoil. "Unpleasant to shoot for long periods" is a gun reviewers comment that needs more attention.
Last, why give up the one feature that modern firearms demonstrate increases firepower and reduces downtime in a shootout? If you don't prefer wheel guns due to the method of reloading, add no slide lock to the list of things downrating a pistol. It is the one feature that makes the AR better than the AK, for the same issues - you don't have to compress a tightly loaded mag against the slide to engage the mag lock, you don't have to rack it against that load adding friction to what may already be a tough spring, and you only have to drop the slide release to get back in action. The mag doesn't drop out and leave you stuck with a one shot - or worse, disconnected and functionless gun.
SA or DA, you can get triggers on both sides of the weight and pulls available. Hammer or striker, you can get second strike or not. Actions and triggers aren't the important features, all types work as well or as poorly at the "other guys" gun.
It's the actual weight of the trigger and length of pull, how much recoil, and a slide hold open that enhance use and comfort. Ignore them and you get a punishing gun hard to use and which gets in the way of shooting.
Amazing that some would prefer qualities that make things worse but it's America, get what you like.
SSN Vet
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SAO, condition 1 (both 1911 and BHP and PT-111)
Why? I hit what I'm aiming at a lot better with a crisp and lean (~4#) single action trigger brake.
Safety? I prefer having one, and I swipe it off without thinking about it at all, when I draw the firearm. You're odds of having an ND or dropping the gun are a lot greater than actually using it in SD.
Why? I hit what I'm aiming at a lot better with a crisp and lean (~4#) single action trigger brake.
Safety? I prefer having one, and I swipe it off without thinking about it at all, when I draw the firearm. You're odds of having an ND or dropping the gun are a lot greater than actually using it in SD.
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Not that you need a manual safety to make a pistol drop safe, of course
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