CCW at Gunshow

[HARV6]

Went to my first gun show the other day w/ my CCW only to be turned around by the sign on the door that said CCW was not allowed. Went in after unpacking and saw some of the vendors wearing pistols. I asked a vendor wearing one why they could but I couldn't. The reply was something along the lines of "they know we can be trusted, they don't know that everyone who comes in here can be trusted as well." Are all gun shows in OH like this or just this one I happened to find? I won't be going again.

 

[AirForceShooter]

My gun show has your gun zip tied and you're not allowed to carry any ammo.

Gun Control. Another way of saying " I don't trust you"

AFS

 

[smince]

Don't Ask/Don't Tell

 

[Bubbles]

At most shows the vendors aren't allowed to either. The shows I worked never permitted it. OTOH many vendors kept a zip-tied pistol in a holster and a loaded mag in a back pocket... just in case.

 

[ultradoc]

no ammo allowed. Gun [ccw/forsale/trade] zip tied.

 

[Mags]

It's so if for some reason you want to whip out your CCW to show it as a trade or for whatever reason. It's not for gun control but for gun safety is my understanding.

I am sure some putz somewhere had decided he would see what his CCW piece would bring in on a trade or had a question about it, so he whipped out his loaded CCW.

 

[therewolf]

They're TRYING to keep ALL the NDs vendor related...

 

[Sam1911]

This discussion comes up a lot!

Most recently here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7000477

But the big, "Gun Show Carry Thread to End All Gun Show Carry Threads" is here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=456493

 

[Mainsail]

I was carrying my G20 openly in a Target (the store) one day and some yahoo struck up a conversation by whipping his loaded Glock out of a fanny-pack. Sheesh.

 

[Snowy Rivers]

Here in Oregon, the shows forbid any loaded weapons in the building whatsoever.

There are a few of the vendors that wear a sidearm, but its zip tied and has no magazine in it Macho thing me thinks.

All guns on the tables must be zip tied so that they can't function.

The only people allowed to carry weapons are the Police that cruise the show and the security personel that are in the building at night during the multi day shows.

Just too much liability would be placed on the show promoters if they allowed loaded guns on the premises.

Even with all these rules, every so often there will be an A D somewhere.

Fools are out there, and stuff thats not suppossed to happen does from time to time.

I have had several guns shipped through the USPS,UPS, Fedex to us as TRANSFERS and that came from GUN SHOPS show up at my store LOADED with one in the chamber.

This is the reason that they don't want loaded guns in the shows.

If you go deep stealth and get found out later, the show promoters will probably BAN you.

The rules are simply a way to keep things safe.

The Insurance underwriters worry a lot, any time guns are involved.

Be safe and play by the rules.

Snowy

 

[84B20]

All of the above reasons why gun shows don't allow CCW or OC are the same reasons the antis give for gun control. We've got to stop playing their game.

 

[Sam1911]

If you go deep stealth and get found out later, the show promoters will probably BAN you.

I would spend very little time concerning myself with potentially being banned from a gun show. (Somehow, I'm sure I could still find a way to face tomorrow.)

I would, however, spend a significant amount of time familiarizing myself with what my state laws say on the matter and follow those.

A quote from a previous thread:

Any gun I carry in for show&tell, sale/trade, holster fitting, or that would in any other way be handled will be unloaded and can be ziptied. I don't see any problem with that, as I like to see the action open on any weapon someone's handling in my presence.

However, I assume most of the participants and visitors keep their personal protection weapon in reserve.

 

[M2 Carbine]

When first faced with not being able to carry at the gun shows I was very irritated.

Now I'm all for it.

Face it, even in states that require some level of skill and knowledge to get a carry license there are licensed people that will do some dumb things with their carry weapon.

We do not need accidents at gun shows, that make us look bad and give the anti gun people bad examples to shut down the gun shows.
Personally I still don't like it but I'll go along with having my gun tie wrapped at the gun show if it may keep some fool from pulling out his gun and accidently shooting someone.

I know, you and I are safe but how about all those hundreds of other gun carrying people packed in around you?
Tell me you haven't seen some dumb stuff at the gun shows.

 

[Snowy Rivers]

State law is all well and good.

The shows are being put on by PRIVATE concerns and they can have whatever rules they and their insurance comopanies decide on.

I certainly would not worry about getting banned from a show

Come on now, we all preach to obey the law. The shows are run by folks that want everyone to have a good time and to COME BACK..

This rule is pretty easy to understand and has nothing to do with violating any of our rights.

You put that many guns, that many people in one place all crowded in tight and add some loaded guns and its not going to be too long before someone does something stupid, like pulling their carry gun out and having an AD with it.

Lets just leave the loaded guns out of shows.

Best

Snowy

 

[M2 Carbine]

All of the above reasons why gun shows don't allow CCW or OC are the same reasons the antis give for gun control. We've got to stop playing their game.

It's not the same thing at all.
As responsible gun owners it's up to us to, at times, do things that will help prevent making us look bad or hurting someone.

It's the same thing that's done at most shooting ranges. There are rules to try to prevent (the less experienced) from hurting themselves or others.

That's all they are doing at the gun shows. Trying to prevent someone from putting a bullet in your butt. Thereby giving all of us a bad name.

 

[FAS1]

All of the above reasons why gun shows don't allow CCW or OC are the same reasons the antis give for gun control. We've got to stop playing their game.

That's one of the reasons I don't go to gun shows very often. I find it a little ironic that we have a CHL permit and allowed to carry in public. Somehow I am safe all those places but not the Gun Show? I treat them just as I do other places that don't allow me to carry. I spend my money somewhere else.

 

[2WheelsGood]

Went to my first gun show the other day w/ my CCW only to be turned around by the sign on the door that said CCW was not allowed.

What happens if you wear it openly? Well, I guess that depends on the open carry laws in your state.

 

[M2 Carbine]

That's one of the reasons I don't go to gun shows very often. I find it a little ironic that we have a CHL permit and allowed to carry in public. Somehow I am safe all those places but not the Gun Show? I treat them just as I do other places that don't allow me to carry. I spend my money somewhere else.

You are looking at this as, ME/I.
It's not about YOU or ME.
It's about the other guy.
YOU and I never make mistakes. We aren't the problem.
The problem is the hundreds of other gun carrying people at the gun shows that aren't as experienced and perfect as you and I.

So, since the the people that put on the gun shows don't know just how safe WE are, they have to restrict everyone from carrying loaded guns.

Really, it's not right that us outstanding people have to sometimes go along with the rules that are in place for the common folk.

 

[M2 Carbine]

What happens if you wear it openly? Well, I guess that depends on the open carry laws in your state.

At all the shows I've been to it doesn't matter how you carry it, even in your hand. The action must be tie wrapped, even all the sellers guns on display.

 

[Snowy Rivers]

OMG

I see some are still missing the point.

Sure, you and I are always safe, heck we are professionals, we never ever make a boo boo

Its not you and I that I am worried about, its the guy behind me that shoots me in the BUTTTTTTTTTT while he is fumbling around with his gun so he can show it to someone.

We preach that you never ever cross anything with the muzzle that you are not prepared to destroy.

Go to any Sunday gun show and count the number of times that you "The vendor" get crossed by a muzzle of a gun.

I can't agree wth loaded guns at shows for any reason. There simply is not a good excuse.

The local shooting range, even at the action range (IPSC) will not allow any holstered guns to be loaded EXCEPT while on the fireing line.

COLD RANGE

It just makes sense.

Logic far outweighs any trivial issues of having my feelings hurt.

You can't take your CCW to the court house either or any federal building. No exceptions.

Shall we debate that one too ????

Its just common sense, nothing more.

Snowy

 

[M2 Carbine]

Go to any Sunday gun show and count the number of times that you "The vendor" get crossed by a muzzle of a gun.

I can't agree wth loaded guns at shows for any reason. There simply is not a good excuse.

You know what cracked me up when I went to the first gun show after Texas got concealed carry?

They tie wrapped the gun. I didn't like it but I could see the reason behind it.
Then they asked me if I had the magazine. When I showed it they they unloaded it and kept the rounds. I couldn't take the ammo into the show.


What's wrong with this picture? They confiscated my carry load but then I walked through a door where there was hundred of thousands of rounds of ammunition that I could pick up.

 

[ny32182]

My opinion is that if they allow carry at gun shows, the same carry rules should apply there as anywhere else: If the gun comes out of your holster, you get to go to jail for brandishing. Unfortunately the difference is that nobody will be able to tell the difference, especially if they did not see the whole sequence.

It is an environment that is packed with guns that are being handled by everybody and their brother, with the expectation that they are unloaded. Not exactly the same situation as the food court at your local mall. Introducing loaded guns into that scenario is an incredibly bad idea when you take into account that MOST people with a CCW are incredibly inept at handling it. (That doesn't mean you, of course). Too many people would be whipping out the loaded gun at every opportunity to see how it fits in this holster, or show their buddy that cool new punisher logo back plate.

I remember right off the top of my head two AD threads here specifically related to this exact topic. One at Bass Pro and one at a gun show.

Just another reason to stay away from the gun show if you ask me. I haven't been to one in years.

 

[MikeNice]

In NC it is illegal to CC any where that charges admittance. So, it is automatically a no go here.

 

[jackpot]

I havent been to a show where Ive been asked to leave my carry in my truck, but Im also in Wyoming. Less people, less malum prohibita to deal with. If a place of business whether it is a convention hall, or a burger king asked me to not carry, than I wont shop there.

Sticking up for your own rights is an easy one in my opinion.

 

[M2 Carbine]

My opinion is that if they allow carry at gun shows, the same carry rules should apply there as anywhere else: If the gun comes out of your holster, you get to go to jail for brandishing. Unfortunately the difference is that nobody will be able to tell the difference, especially if they did not see the whole sequence.

No, not reasonable.
Many people take their carry guns into the show to get parts, new grips, have a gunsmith look at the gun, etc, etc. So, of course, they will be "brandishing" the gun to some extent.