CCW holders of any state, I've got a question for you.

[Ivy Mike]

Well, its probably more than just one question, but here goes.

Here in NV, permits are shall-issue. You pass a background check, take a class and qualify with your weapon(s). In a couple months, you get your permit in the mail. Nothing too difficult. However, I've noticed that NV doesn't share reciprocity with any other state. Packing.org shows that the NV permit is honored elsewhere, but NV doesn't really honor anyone elses permit.

Now, I believe the reason for this is that NV doesn't really have a state system for issuing permits. The issuance of permits is handled by the county of residence and is only guided by state law. A permit issued in any county is valid throughout the entire state.

My questions are, is there any way to start getting some sort of reciprocity going with other states? Are there any benefits you can see to having the county vs. the state issue the permit?
Would anyone bother with a NV permit even if you only visited the state infrequently?


and just in case anyone cares, I do hold a NV CFP (concealed firearms permit) but none from any other state.

 

[thexrayboy]

The Nevada Attorney Generals office may be allowed to negotiate for reciprocity with other states but politically it is being blocked by some special interests.

One is state legislator Bernie Washington who is always trying to muck up the CCW program, in fact he would s*** can it entirely if he could. He is a high
ranking mucky muck with lots of influence in Carson. Other factors are the casinos. They don't really want a lot of people from out of state coming to Nevada, checking into a casino and acting like the typical brain dead tourist while packing. One incident in a Las Vegas casino where an FBI agent had a shootout with a walkin freezer just helped to make it more difficult to alter this situation.

Also lets face it, making out of staters come here, spend time and money to get a non res permit is good for the bottom line of a lot of businesses. Nevada is nothing if not dedicated to separating tourists from their money.
That may be the biggest reason reciprocity is not being pushed for at official levels.

I don't know if we will ever be able to solve this and as we are a tail wagging the dog state with the liberal morons in Vegas having way too much influence in the legislature we need to be on guard for attempts to do away with or restrict even further the current CCW laws.

 

[Mortech]

Here in WA its a shall issue , no training required situation . FOr the question on the reciprocity issue there is/was a move in congress to get CCW permits to be recognized like state issue drivers license .

 

[ArchAngelCD]

The main problem with state reciprocity with other state's carry permits are the different rules each state sets up.

You described the NV procedure but in some states all you need to do is get a background check from the local Sheriff's Dept., take a picture, pay your fee and walk out the door with a CCW. Your State requires classes and for you to qualify with your weapon, my state requires $19 and 15 minutes of your time. Hardly the same so reciprocity would be hard to push.

As for wanting some kind of Federal Carry License, please never say that again. The Feds would make it so hard to carry we would end up not being allowed to carry like in New York. (Remember the Brady Bill?) The inconvenience of not being allowed to legally carry in another state is far better than going through what the Feds would do to us, especially since the Liberal Democrats are now in power.

I like things they way they are in my state now. The Feds would only mess that up.

 

[BB93YJ]

Ummm, I don't think he said "Federal CCW" or implied such...

My driver's license is honored in all 50 states, Canada, and Mexico... Now, I don't expect Canada or Mexico to honor my CHL license from here in Texas, but I do think it should be recognized in all 50 states just like the driver's license, something to do with a "Full faith and credit clause*" in one of them old parchment documents from a couple hundred years ago .

*The phrase "Full Faith and Credit Clause" refers to Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America, which reads:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

 

[Autolycus]

We need national reciprocity.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Ummm, I don't think he said "Federal CCW" or implied such...

My mistake, I may have read it wrong but when Mortech said: "For the question on the reciprocity issue there is/was a move in congress to get CCW permits to be recognized like state issue drivers license ." If Congress is going to get involved bad things can, and usually do happen. They usually want full control over anything they touch and would set guidelines to get all the states to agree. We would all have to abide but the toughest laws just so some people can travel legally with their gun. Not a good deal IMO.

BTW, most states will honor your carry permit if you are only passing through the state and have no intention of stopping for any length of time.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally Posted by ArchAngelCD:

BTW, most states will honor your carry permit if you are only passing through the state and have no intention of stopping for any length of time.

That is not true at all. Unless the state has agreed to recognize your states permit will they honor it. Otherwise you have to transport under federal gun laws.

 

[arthurcw]

My driver's license is honored in all 50 states

Yes, they are. But not because the Federal Government forced DL’s to be honored. If I recall correctly, they are honored because all 50 states singed an agreement that stated they would honor all other states DL’s. It was economically prudent that they do so, so they did.

If states want to issue piecemeal reciprocity then that is fine by me. I don’t want Fed.gov anywhere near the issue of CCW laws. Once they get their finger in the pie, they will try to make it so restrictive that it will not be worth having. I’d rather have the ability to carry in some states than none at all.

You don’t really think that MA, NY, CA, et al… would let a law like that pass in Congress with out making sure that we all played by their rules.

If I ever find that my business takes me to a state that doesn’t have reciprocity with mine and it’s worth the time and effort, I’ll play their game and get an out of state license if I can. It’s a small price to pay for keeping Uncle Sam out of my holster.

 

[Ivy Mike]

well thexrayboy, I don't think we liberal morons down here have too much influence in the legislature. I think we have the right amount seeing as the majority of the state's population lives down here.

I do understand your explanation on why our CCW laws work the way they do. I seriously doubt we're going to see any erosion of gun rights here any time soon.

I can't find anyone named Bernie Washington in our state legislature. Did you mean Bernie Anderson or Maurice Washington?

 

[TimboKhan]

I think I can see the difference between national reciprocity and a federal carry permit. I agree with the first, and I am terrified of the second. I don't do much interstate travel except from here to WY or NE, but it would be nice to know that I could protect myself in any state with my concealed firearm without getting tossed in the clink for doing so.

 

[Buck Nekkid]

Let me toss in my dos pesos. Compared to other states, our CCW is a rip off. I still get burned everytime I want to add a pistol to my permit. $25 for the privelege--what a crock!!

When I had my CCW in Texas you could carry anything that you felt you were big enough to carry! This crap of having to "qualify" with every gun you want on your permit just sucks!!

 

[ArchAngelCD]

You can always open carry in those states which do not honor you state's CCW as long as that state is an open carry state. (there are many but it's not advertized) I didn't know PA was an open carry state but it is. (only restrictions are in Philly.) The only state I would want to carry other than PA is NY, actually NYC but that will NEVER happen no matter what laws are passed. NY City doesn't even honor NY State's CCW. In NYC you need a permit just to buy a gun. ($255 for 3 years + $90 fingerprinting fee)

 

[Ivy Mike]

Buck

I'm sure I'll catch boos and hisses from everyone else, but I like the idea of a permit holder having to demonstrate competence with their firearms.

 

[Autolycus]

Clean97GTI:

Let me say BOO!! I am hissing at you while I speak.

The 2nd amendment does not require competency. However when the BOR was written most people were competent with a firearm. So it was understood that people would be competent with their guns.

However in todays society, due to the losing cultrue war we are not seeing that anymore. The truth is that people are clueless when it comes to guns. Especially in their use and general safety with a gun.

But nonetheless you complain about how expensive it is. What about those who cannot afford to pay for the safety classes, or to register their handgun like Vegas does? Should they be denied the right to carry? Its the same thing as a polltax in my eyes. You cannot charge someone for exercising a right.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

You can always open carry in those states which do not honor you state's CCW as long as that state is an open carry state.

Or you can get a Florida non-resident CCW which will allow you to carry in 20+ other states which accept the Florida license (plus Fl).

 

[Ivy Mike]

Tecumseh,

While I am inclined to agree that the text of the Second Amendment shouldn't allow any restriction of gun rights, I do tend to believe that some regulation is a good thing. For example, we prohibit the possession of firearms for certain people (felons for example)
I would agree that many people today have no skill with weapons and that is the reason I feel that demonstrating a basic level of competence is in the best interest of the citizens of Nevada.

Now, this may sound horrible to some, but do not forget that NV is an open carry state. You don't need a CCW to carry anywhere in this state. You can strap your gun to your hip and walk down The Strip for all to see. You are not subject to any further regulation should you desire to carry a firearm.

I should also let you know that registration of a firearm is free in this county. You do not pay one extra cent. You simply pass the standard NICS check and pay for your weapon. Thats it. The FFL you purchase the gun from completes registration. If you don't purchase the weapon from an FFL, all you do is show up at your local police station, hand the clerk the weapon and they record the serial number, conduct the check (at no cost) and register the firearm.

I see the classes and qualification as a way to actually improve the safety of the public. It doesn't limit the number of firearms in any appreciable way, but gives a bit more assurance that those who do carry concealed, have at the very least, a basic knowledge of the laws and the workings of their firearm.

 

[Jam]

do your self a favor and stay were you are and be happy dont ever come to NY
the worst of all the felons have more rights then the legal gun owners .

1- No such thing as ccw unless you hit lotto and there are threats on your life
or you make big deposits daily you can get a business carry to and from work
everyone else only gets taget and hunting
2-3 to 6 months to get a traget and hunting after all the paper work completed
then you can pick up your gun
3- 10 hour saftey course by law cost from 75.00 to 200.00
4- from 10 days to 3 months for a amendment to buy another gun
5- after your 5th gun state police has to come to your house to do a safe check and to make sure you have trigger locks and cable locks in a safe

yet all the polations all have full carry unresticted and if you go to other countys in new york you can carry in the whole state figure that
i am 20 min from manhattan there worse off

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Jam,
I feel your pain man, I just mover from NYC last year to PA. All you say is true and more. Like I said in above post, all the costs Jam just mentioned plus $255 for 3 year permit and $90 for fingerprinting. Mind you, this is for NYC only, NYS has a different, and required permit if you want to carry outside NYC in the rest of the state.

 

[thexrayboy]

To Clean97GTI, You are correct, it is actually Bernie Anderson I meant to refer to. He is the chair of the Assembly Judiciary Committee and is a retired school teacher from Sparks. According to reports from acquaintances here who were behind the original bill for CCW that passed in 95 it was Bernie Anderson that was the cause of the initial "two guns only" listed on the permit. He actually tried to block the bill from leaving the committee but political pressure at the time caused him to back off. His place in the Assembly was in question due to his position on the bill. Compromises were reached.

As for the amount of influence Las Vegas has being too much or just right it is
all a matter of reference. The vast majority of those in Nevada living outside of Clark County feel the same way I do. Las Vegas has too much pull in the state Capital and frequently uses that to the detriment of the rest of the state. I don't expect you to agree with that position but I sure won't back down from it. Many of our comrades in rural California will tell you they feel the same way. They are held hostage in Sacramento by the political weight of the gay Bay and LosOrangeSanRiverside.

 

[pax]

I see the classes and qualification as a way to actually improve the safety of the public. It doesn't limit the number of firearms in any appreciable way...

Okay, you made two assertions:

1) Classes and qualifications improve the safety of the public, AND

2) Required classes and qualifications do not limit the number of firearms in any appreciable way.

In order to prove assertion 1), you will need to show two comparable states, with similar demographics. One of the states should be a shall-issue state WITHOUT a training requirement, and the other should be a shall-issue state WITH a training requirement.

Then you should compare the permit-holder crime and the accidental discharge rates between the two.

In order to prove your assertion, the state WITH a training requirement should have a measurable, consistently lower number of accidental or negligent discharges compared to the WITHOUT state. The WITH state should also have a lower rate of criminal misuse of firearms by licensed carry permit holders.

(Can't find two such states? I suggest Oregon and Washington...)

Next assertion, that requiring firearms training does not limit the availability of firearms and permits in any appreciable way. In order to prove that assertion, you should take two states (as above), one WITH and the other WITHOUT a training requirement. Again, similar demographics would be helpful. Compare the per-capita number of ccw holders in one state to those in the other.

Come back and let us know what you found.

And YES, the burden is on you to make your case. You made the assertion, now back it up.

Go!

pax

 

[javacodeman]

I'll say this for sure: Get New Hampshire's Non-Resident CCW! Especially if you are from SC. It opens up (among others) Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi which are all nearby! All for only 20 bucks. Thats the deal of the century!!!

edit: BTW, Florida's non-resident license will set you back 120 smackers.

 

[Squawker]

Face it, it's a whole lot easier and cheaper to just get the Florida and Utah nonresident permits. That will allow you to carry in 30 states. There are a few states left not covered by that combination, and if you're going to be in those states and want or feel the need to carry (I myself would look at it as a need-if there wasn't a need, I wouldn't carry here), then just get an out of state permit for that state. When I took my CCW course, it was a multistate course, and for a fee I was given the Utah and Fla applications. The day that I went down to Metro for pictures and prints, I just got the extra fingerprint cards. I turned in the Nevada app, then went to the post office and mailed my Fla and Utah apps. The amount of time and money that would have to be spent to change the law is enormous, and you may end up risking the system. The total fee to get both Fla and Utah is $179- not really a big deal. And there aren't a lot of hoops that you have to jump through. I don't see a need to change it.


As far as Las Vegas having too much influence in the state legislature, I'd disagree. The largest portion of the population lives in Las Vegas and surrounding Clark County. I'm sick of the amount of highway funds being sent to Northern Nevada, when we're stuck in traffic all day long. We send most of the money to Carson City, we Should get proportionally the same back.

 

[Rumble]

Per Packing.org, the combination of FL and UT permits covers 33 states. Of the remaining 17 states, 6 offer non-resident permits (I'm excluding New Jersey and Maryland, because although they offer them technically, as far as I know it is effectively impossible to get one). For the other eleven states...who knows? Some (like SC) seem to allow a loaded handgun in the glove box, but otherwise, it's a state-by-state game of "read the law."

 

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

Makes Sense to Me

I believe you'd be well-off to get permits from both Georgia and Florida by mail so that you have effective coverage in about 33 states. With a photocopy of your Nevada permit plus a completed application, etc. Utah will issue you a permit, as will Florida.

Go for it !!!