Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Gun Master, Mar 12, 2016.
We must keep chipping away at stupid laws.
We have one active duty deputy. We are friends, but tend to sit apart.
Years ago a co-worker (another lawman) was incredulous I carried all the time, even in church. My response is still the same; "I carry all the time; you think God hasn't noticed yet?"
Any questions should be directed to the Book of Ezra in the Old Testament and the words of Jesus in Matthew 15:1 to 10 or so, about what corrupts a person.
I think the reasoning is that if you shoot someone who comes in your church to attack the congregants, and then they or their family sues, besides suing you they will sue also the pastor and the church, and if the pastor gave you permission to carry there, neither he nor the church will be able to get off the hook, whereas if he can say he had no idea you were armed he and the church might be able to get out of it.
It may not have been the intent but I could see it having a chilling effect on anyone being named as the grantor of such authorization.
FWIW, the experiences of a great many concealed carriers indicate that the possibility of a person, particularly a stranger, publicly asking about your (suspected or known) carry gun are exceptionally rare, to the point of almost surely being able to say "don't worry that doesn't happen"
"Shotguns are to be taken to church in case of a Native American attack"
Then again you can also be fined if you keep your Christmas decorations up after New Years Day
Given my background and experiences, should something bad happen and I was not prepared/able to protect innocent others.....it would be extremely difficult to deal with the aftermath mentally.
There's a reason sheep have sheep herders.
Think about it for just a minute. If your goal was to kill as many Christians as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Were would you look? On any Sunday just drive around and pick a nice juicy target. There are literally thousands of them. All full of targets with their backs turned to you.
Just a matter of time before they figure it out. So I carry....
How is it not a violation of Separation of Church and State for the state to declare firearms cannot be carried in places of worship? How can the state tell churches what people may or may not do in their houses of worship.
The state cannot forbid Catholics from taking the Eucharist, Orthodox from venerating icons, or Pentecostals from speaking in tongues. They cannot prohibit Sikhs from carrying daggers. How can they prohibit the carry of handguns or even set church policy?
Arkansas repealed its prohibition on church carry a few years ago, but a friend belongs to a church that's a member of some national organization which prohibits carry no matter what state they're in. His pastor said his policy was "don't ask, don't tell", but that doesn't change the fact that any member who shot in defense would be sold down the river by the larger organization.
I suggested he find another church.
What the Apostle Paul said, and which is applicable to armed self-defense, is: "But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." (1 Timothy 5:8, ESV)
They make oversized Bible covers with big pockets...
J from KY
Yeah Ohio sucks in this regard. I read a book by an attorney on ohio gun laws (can't think of the title at the moment) and the way he explains it you could walk into church with a rifle on your shoulder and all they could do is ask you to leave and charge you with trespassing, but if you carry concealed without prior permission its a felony.
I'm not a regular church goer anymore but the law is really a pain when you get roped into going to weddings and stuff. Traveling to unfamiliar places, you don't want to go without, and you don't feel great about leaving it in a vehicle either. Not likely to get prior permission as a one time visitor though.
Michigan has some "grey area" concerning where you can and can't carry. Bars are off limits, but sports bar restaurants are OK... as long as they don't earn more than 50% of profit from booze sales. How the heck are you supposed to know that?
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