CCW recommendations for a woman

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Requirements:
1. Semi-auto (revolver's pro's/cons were reviewed)

2. Lowest recoil possible (she's 115lbs and petite)

3. Light and very compact (will be in a smallish purse at all times)

4. Safety (internal/external preferred), long trigger pulls aren't enough

Any ideas?
 
Right up until #4, I was going to suggest the Kahr K9. It has worked for 3 female clients who were a bit recoil sensitive. With #4 in mind, I'd look seriously at the Springfield EMP in 9mm...or maybe a S&W M&P Shield

Just curious, why isn't a DA trigger enough?
That is all we had when we used to carry revolvers
 
Right up until #4, I was going to suggest the Kahr K9. It has worked for 3 female clients who were a bit recoil sensitive. With #4 in mind, I'd look seriously at the Springfield EMP in 9mm...or maybe a S&W M&P Shield

Just curious, why isn't a DA trigger enough?
That is all we had when we used to carry revolvers
She feels more comfortable with some sort of safety and I've learned that it's all about comforts when it comes to women on firearms.
 
I would second the M&P compact is a bit wider but with the small grip fits most petite female hands. The shield is another fine option.

another option is a 1911 micro in 9mm. Fits female hands very well. also.

Most important is quality training and spending time at the range with it.
 
Walther PPS.

In my opinion, this is the best overall concealed carry gun on the market today, hands down. Dimensionally, it's about the same size as a PPK, but instead of firing a .32 or .380 -- both marginal cartridges at best -- it fires a 9mm, and is capable of handling the +P loads in that caliber. Thanks to the low bore axis and good ergonomics, the recoil is not at all excessive, despite being a lightweight, compact pistol, and the pistol is thinner in cross section than any comparable gun. Some of the Kahr pistols are comparable in size, weight, and caliber, but Kahrs have a spotty reputation for reliability that Walther doesn't have. I have personal experience of this, having owned a TP-40 that couldn't be made to run reliably after two trips back to the factory (and the shop I bought that gun from has stopped carrying Kahrs because of the number of guns they've had to return to the factory for service). Finally, the gun has a versatility unmatched by any other compact gun, thanks to the three different magazines available with it. The 6 round mag fits flush with the short grip, which allows only a two-fingered grip on the gun, but maximizes concealability for when this is needed. The 8 round mag, which has an integral grip boot at the base, makes the grip nearly as long as a full size pistol, allowing not only increased ammo capacity, but maximum controllability, and is ideal for when heavier clothing or other circumstance permits carry in this mode. In between is a 7 round mag, also with a grip boot, that makes a perfect compromise between the two: the grip is short enough that the weapon will disappear under all but the lightest of clothing, but just long enough to afford a three-finger grip. And you get all this for a very reasonable price -- about the same as a brand new Glock. This pistol's compact size, good ergonomics, and excellent controllability make it ideal for every concealed carrier, male or female.
 
Right up until #4, I was going to suggest the Kahr K9. It has worked for 3 female clients who were a bit recoil sensitive. With #4 in mind, I'd look seriously at the Springfield EMP in 9mm...or maybe a S&W M&P Shield

Just curious, why isn't a DA trigger enough?
That is all we had when we used to carry revolvers

I agree. The first three are easy. #4 severely limits your options. With a pocket holster (even a cheap crappy one) you will have your trigger/guard covered which will prevent anything in the purse from getting caught in the trigger guard and manipulating the trigger.

If you're stuck on a manual safety, I would recommend a SIG P238.
If you're willing to give up the manual safety then I have nothing but good things to say about, and have had nothing but good experiences with, my Ruger LCP.
 
Revolvers are fool proof,great beginner guns. But for her revolver-wise Charter Arms Lavender Lady its .38spl. For semi-auto id say Ruger SR9c or i have a Taurus PT745 Millenium Pro comes in .45acp but has safety
 
My wife carries a KT P11 and loves it. Her SD rounds are C.O.P. 115+P JHP. Her choice is 10+1. She said the last thing she wants is to try and rack the slide in the middle of a high-stress situation. She's had plenty of range time as we've a makeshift range on our property.

A little put off at first by the recoil, but once adjusted she's consistantly hitting 4" clusters at 30 ft. By comparison I'm consistantly 6" clusters w/a .25 ACP at the same distance. :eek:

Btw, both of our CCWs are DAO triggers. Her's is spec'd at 8.5 and mine is around the same.

Not to be a wiseguy, but there's a website called www.pinkhandguns.com that is geared for female shooters, specifically. Taurus has a pink/matte silver TCP 738 .380 that looks pretty cool, I thought. Showed the site to my wife and she said, "Why would I get a pink gun when my name's Robin. When they come out with Robin's egg blue grips w/a silver matte slide then I'll be interested." She makes me lol, sometimes. :p

Forgot to mention. My wife is 5'4", 110 lbs, so I'm thinking she fits the 'petite' criteria.
 
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I'd consider one of the metal-framed, non-pocketable .380s: Walther PPK, Bersa, CZ-83, or even a Beretta 84/ Browning BDA. The latter pair (no longer available NIB) and a version of the Bersa take a double-stack magazine, giving a new shooter as many as 13 rounds and inspiring confidence that some rounds will go on target (with proper practice this translates to more rounds for multiple assailants). These have external safeties and in some cases decockers.

The grips on these higher capacity .380s are noticeably larger than those of the pocket guns, so it's critical to try them out, but the clear advantage is the greater weight of the gun and lower power of the .380 cartridge creates a gun that's very comfortable to shoot and very controllable in recoil terms, facilitating rapid and accurate follow-up shots.
 
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Metal framed guns will get old quickly and also may wear more quickly. The lighter polymer framed gun is probably a better deal. Also, the difference in re-coil and size between 380ACP and a 9mm is very small. 9mm ammo is also cheaper, easier to find, and more effective.
The external safety is a matter of preference, but usually does not make much difference in safety or speed. It does however mean extra time in training, drawing and re-hoster drills. Make sure what ever gun you get has "drop safety". Some guns implement a drop safety by having a light weight fireing pin and heavy return spring, however springs loose tension and the drop height is assumed to be about 3 ft when these are tested. Anyone can drop a loaded gun and it is best to know that it will not go off. (Note: a grip safety usualy does not prevent a gun from firing when droped)
 
I struggled to find a carry pistol for my wife for quite a while. She doesn't like plastic guns so that knocked out Glocks, etc. Additionally she needed something she could rack easily. After going through half a dozen .380 and .9mm pistols we found success with the Sig P238. What a great little pistol! Light weight, accurate, great sights, and very soft recoil for a small .380. The best part is she loves it and carries it regularly. The second best part is that I like it so much I bought myself one! While I still prefer my STI Guardian as my EDC, the Sig makes a nice pocket gun when I'm not dressed to cover a holster.
 
The Sr9c is what your wife wants with your four points. Go take her to the range and have her shoot one. My wife is 4'11" and very slight. She wanted a manual safety, it was light, small (the same size as a lot of larger "pocket" pistols) and surprisingly light on the recoil for a 9mm. She loved it. Have her shoot one before she decides on what she wants.

Something else to look at is the Cz-83 (the one in .380) about the same size, all metal, a little heavier but well balanced. Manual safety, and a pussy cat when it comes to recoil. Great gun.

My wife loved both of them, but the more power in about the same package of the Sr9c won her over.

I would have your wife try both of them and see what she likes.
 
Have her check-out the Taurus Millennium Pro Gen 3 PT-111-12 SS (9x19 mm) model as it has all the features she is looking for and is very compact with a nice trigger that holds 12 rounds with a variant that holds 10 rounds. But based on your name you may be in NY so a SIG P938 might also be a good choice.
 
My wife is petite too and her first pistol was a Para PDA in 9mm. Based on the 1911 design, it has both the thumb and grip safeties, but with a Light Double Action trigger. It's the trigger Glocks wished they had. Because of the LDA, it's not carried "cocked and locked", in fact there's no spur on the hammer.
She checked out every gun st the NRA convention in 2008, and it was in the top two that felt best in her hand.

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2. Lowest recoil possible (she's 115lbs and petite)
It never ceases to amaze me how we men always seem to assume a petite woman is automatically recoil sensitive. Our gun club has many women shooters, and I can assure you many of them handle recoil as well if not better than many of the men.

As to an appropriate carry piece:
What has she shot already?
What did she like?
What did she not like?
Which were close to what she wants?

My wife is 63 and her piece currently is Ruger SR9c she picked out. She shoots it very well and it's her favorite gun. But even after 500+ rounds the RSA is still very stiff and it appears it's going to stay that way. But she's mastered it so we're both happy.
 
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http://www.corneredcat.com/

This website is designed for female CCWers, and is written by a very knowledgeable lady. She also has a book which is worth a look...but start with the website.
Yeah, I knew about this site, but neglected to mention it. It is a great site. There is alot more detailed information. Certainly, between the two there's plenty of option suggestions for CCW and concealment. Ultimately, though it's going to have to be her choice.

The reason I ended up w/t .25 and my wife has the 9mm is that I'm a utility/commuter cyclist and the P11 was just too big and printed no matter what I tried. So, we swapped pistols and holsters. In being aware of the limits of a .25 my next CCW will be at least a .32 or .380. A LWS32 Seecamp is #1 w/a P32 2nd for weight consideration.

Either way she aint giving up the 9. :D
 
I learned early in my relationship with my now wife that anything I suggest she won't like. Even if the gun she ends up loving was something I suggested in the first place.

Gun shows will be your friend. Have her try every 9mm and below pistol she can get her hands on. If she finds something she falls in love with then she may change her "requirements" for what she wants. Just stand back, offer advice on ballistics/designs etc but let her pick.

Firearms I would suggest she try: Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder, S&W Bodyguard (both), SIG P238/938, Ruger LC9, Ruger LCP, Ruger SR9C, Ruger LC380, all small framed revolvers, PARA Hawg 9mm (good luck finding one), any other 9mm 1911 really...
 
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