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Chalk one up for ccw in VA
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jad0110
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Is this guy stupid or something? I mean, really. It is illegal to drink and drive, just as it is still freakin' illegal to drink and pack heat. Or maybe he is just counting on the sheeple in his district to be stupid, I don't know. Sorry, I've just heard the same intellectually bankrupt argument from the antis in my state (in addition to the worn out "blood in the streets" hysteria) far too many times. Like I said, either they are stupid or they are counting a majority of voters being stupid.
tyeo098
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The "experts" in the article (minus Mr. Van Cleave) all talked about "drinking and carrying," when the law change was simply allowing people who ccw into restaurants like Ruby Tuesdays and Fridays...
We already have laws on drinking and carrying...
We already have laws on drinking and carrying...
jaysouth
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He is the steriotype of a black liberal "activist" legislator toeing the democratic party/nytimes/naacp agenda.
He is trying to protect his people from nasty old nightriders and red necks like you folks who he knows are all closet klansman 'cuz you got guns.
He is trying to protect his people from nasty old nightriders and red necks like you folks who he knows are all closet klansman 'cuz you got guns.
mortablunt
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I didn't think that letting guns into bars would have been a good idea. Sure, the people would have been fine when sober, but what about after five rounds of Jhonny Walker? It's nice to see that allowing carrying has reduced crime. +1 4 us.
GBExpat
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mortablunt, if you have a CHP and are "packing" in the restaurant, you may not legally consume beverage alcohol.
mortablunt
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^I'm not old enough for a carry permit. That is why I Open Carry.
Apple a Day
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I don't know how many times I've explained to people that "... establishment that serves alcohol" doesn't mean "bar". Olive Garden isn't a friggin' saloon.
Hacks like McEachin will take one incident where one nut goes on a rampage and scream for more restrictions but a year's worth of data isn't sufficient the other way around? Sigh.
Hacks like McEachin will take one incident where one nut goes on a rampage and scream for more restrictions but a year's worth of data isn't sufficient the other way around? Sigh.
Dave Workman
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I wrote about this in my Examiner column today. My take on this is that this sort of story seriously erodes any credibility the anti-gunners have or had. On the heels of that story in the Detroit Free Press several days ago that told of the 10 years since CCW reform passed in Michigan, that's got to hurt. (They'll never admit it, of course. 
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Truth and Consequences: Armed citizens behave; antis lose credibility
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...-armed-citizens-behave-antis-lose-credibility
)Truth and Consequences: Armed citizens behave; antis lose credibility
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...-armed-citizens-behave-antis-lose-credibility
I probably knew when the new law was passed (hard to keep up with all these changes), but in VA before the new law allowing CC in restaurants that serve alcohol (as I understand it, VA does not have 'bars') you could not CC (even if you didn't drink), so if you wanted entrance, just take yur coat off and OC.
I used to hit Red Lobster fer their lunch specials-just took my jacket off before I walked in the door and discreet carried (black gun/holster/pants). Now that the new law has passed, I don't have to worry 'bout OCing.
Haven't really kept up with the new law as I don't drink, but I think you can still OC and drink in VA?
dusty14u
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It is legal to open carry and drink in Virginia. I don't drink either and I was glad when they passed CHP restuarant carry.Virginia does not have bars per say. Any establishment that sells alcohol must also serve a certain amount off food in order to get a liquor license.
The biggest problem I have seen here is the DEA and other federal officers who drink after work and have shootouts in the parking lots. I recall one incident in York Co. in the 90's with the DEA shooting some guy in the parking lot after they were toasted. They have earned the reputation as the Drunk Every Afternoon agency because of it.
http://articles.dailypress.com/keyword/dea-agents
http://articles.dailypress.com/1999-03-26/news/9903260314_1_dea-agents-grand-jury-joey-turk
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mortablunt
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@ basicblur
Being too young for a CC permit means I'm also too young to drink.
Being too young for a CC permit means I'm also too young to drink.
JohnBT
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"as I understand it, VA does not have 'bars'"
True, a business with a license to sell alcoholic drinks has to maintain the required amount of food sales to keep its beer, wine or liquor license. I think the number is 45%, although they tried a different method of calculating it in 2008 as a pilot project. I don't know the outcome.
The food might not be good, but they have to sell a fair amount of it to stay in business.
True, a business with a license to sell alcoholic drinks has to maintain the required amount of food sales to keep its beer, wine or liquor license. I think the number is 45%, although they tried a different method of calculating it in 2008 as a pilot project. I don't know the outcome.
The food might not be good, but they have to sell a fair amount of it to stay in business.
Standing Wolf
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Actually, that's legal in some states. I could legally drink in Colorado while carrying, providing my blood alcohol level remains below .08%, the same level required for driving. I don't, but I could; furthermore, it's never been a problem here.
Thank you, Dave, for another fine informative article.
can any one site one law about ccw and drinking in va? to bew honest I post this with out looking, but I do drink and I do carry, but my logic would say there is a line some where that need not be crossed, and I am always clear of that line.
edit after looking I can not find any law about blood alcohol levels while packing in va.........
edit after looking I can not find any law about blood alcohol levels while packing in va.........
Right. The same tired old politics of fear.
There are several African American women, who've lost their socially and politically induced fear of guns, because I took them to the range and taught them how to shoot.
A few can be found here:
J1. Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun, who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of § 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of § 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of § 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of § 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of § 46.2-341.24. Upon such conviction that court shall revoke the person's permit for a concealed handgun and promptly notify the issuing circuit court. A person convicted of a violation of this subsection shall be ineligible to apply for a concealed handgun permit for a period of five years.
J3. No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in § 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.
tyeo098
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Uh huh...VCDL complained/pointed out that little exception when they were fighting for the changes in the new law, but as post #11 shows, certain lawmakers know best...
I might be wrong as I'm flyin' on memory here, but I think they also pointed out to certain lawmakers that if you were in LE, you didn't have to have (or maybe just provide proof of?) any training when you got your CC permit. This meant some fresh outta college assistant DA etc could get a CC permit without any training. Now add in the fact that they're not covered by the law which does not allow CCers to drink while concealing, and you may have the recipe for problems.
I think this was pointed out to certain lawmakers that seem to think LE is somehow automatically endowed with superhuman levels of judgement that us mere mortals are incapable of.
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