cslinger
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So I can get a Bushmaster 20inch AR-15 A2 style for $740 delivered OTD. Can I do any better with Rock River, Armalite, Colt etc.
Thanks
Chris
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Chris
Cheapest AR-15 A2 Prices Around?????
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Shrug. Or you can build your own.
Upper receiver $289.95
RRA complete lower $210
Bolt group $105
Charging Handle $14
So that is about $620. Not much of a savings for a standard A2. But if you want something more interesting it would be really cheaper to build your own. Plus AR are really prone to being tinkered with, so the lack of "complete" warranty is no biggie, and the various components are covered by warranties.
I built my own flatop 16" with arms #40 rear sight for about $300 less then anything similar from the big names. YMMV.
Loch
Upper receiver $289.95
RRA complete lower $210
Bolt group $105
Charging Handle $14
So that is about $620. Not much of a savings for a standard A2. But if you want something more interesting it would be really cheaper to build your own. Plus AR are really prone to being tinkered with, so the lack of "complete" warranty is no biggie, and the various components are covered by warranties.
I built my own flatop 16" with arms #40 rear sight for about $300 less then anything similar from the big names. YMMV.
Loch
cslinger
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Add $100 bucks for tools and I am right back to my nice new warrantee'd Bushy.
The thoght of buidling intrgues me the savings just isn't there to warrant it. Factor tools and time and in some cases it is more expensive to do it yourself.
Chris
The thoght of buidling intrgues me the savings just isn't there to warrant it. Factor tools and time and in some cases it is more expensive to do it yourself.
Chris
Quack
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you do not have to buy tools to "assemble" your own which is what he means as opposed to "building". assembling is just pushing 2 pins.
RRA setup:
$390 for the complete upper (includes bolt and charging handle)
$210 for the complete lower ($290 for 2 stage NM trigger)
$4 shipping
$15-ish for FFL xfer
$619 total
Prices from Adco Firearms
RRA setup:
$390 for the complete upper (includes bolt and charging handle)
$210 for the complete lower ($290 for 2 stage NM trigger)
$4 shipping
$15-ish for FFL xfer
$619 total
Prices from Adco Firearms
seldomseen
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I bought a new bushmaster A2 from CDNN Investments for $734.00. That included the shipping and transfer fee from my FFL. I thought that was a pretty good deal considering I saw the same rifle at the local gun shop for $899 plus tax. Mine came with a junk 20 round magazine that I threw away and a cheap 4X scope that mounts to the carry handle. It's junk also. At least by buying a bushmaster, you are helping a gun manufacturer that could use the support right now, considering the lawsuits from the DC attacks last fall.
joshlm
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good topic guys, was just wondering how you tell if the parts kit or upper has the bolt and charge handle with it.
Quack
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it'll usually say in the description if the CH & BC are included.
cslinger
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Ya know I'd a figured that out if I paid any attention what so ever. Sorry you were perfectly clear I was just being......well..........stupid.
Being an owner of a Colt AR15 I suppose I should not say this BUT I just picked up a Century Arms C-15 H-Bar (used, $500) and fired it over the weekend. I love it! 100 plus rounds of ammo fired without a hitch and 1.5" plus 5 shot groups using a mixture of reloads (FB & BTFMJ)and a warm to hot barrel (I have a 220 Swift for serious work). I have a vintage Colt 3X20mm scope I took off the SP1 and mounted on the C-15, it will stay on the C-15! One of these days I'll work up some target loads and fire with a cool barrel to see what it will do but in the meantime, it sure is fun to blast away.
gun-fucious
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the warrenty and quality of the Bushmaster parts offset the 100 dollar difference
Bushmaster is the largest Civilian AR maker
How can a maker that builds 1/10 the volume, charge less?
Bushmaster is the largest Civilian AR maker
How can a maker that builds 1/10 the volume, charge less?
Quack
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volume...
Zundfolge
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I just built a Rock River A2 w/stainless barrel for right at $600 + shipping and FFL
Complete Lower $199, Complete Upper (including bolt/carrier) $399
Just add magazines and ammo and you're ready to go.
Complete Lower $199, Complete Upper (including bolt/carrier) $399
Just add magazines and ammo and you're ready to go.
Rob96
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Brand spankin' new DPMS runs about $675 for the classic models.
gun-fucious
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the economy of scale:
in order to sell at a cheaper price than Bushmaster,
the other manufacturers either take less profit or cut production costs
some have "target" profiled barrels that spend less time on the lathe
most don't have a chrome lined barrel
some use second or third grade internals
some use a baked on finish instead of the mil spec anodize
in order to sell at a cheaper price than Bushmaster,
the other manufacturers either take less profit or cut production costs
some have "target" profiled barrels that spend less time on the lathe
most don't have a chrome lined barrel
some use second or third grade internals
some use a baked on finish instead of the mil spec anodize
I think Bushmaster is the best all-around AR (including price as a factor), but that chart is from 1999.
I would bet that Rock River has multiplied its sales by a factor of 10 since then. After it was found that RRA has quality about that of the A/B/C manufacturers, they became extremely popular.
I am currently building a RRA M4-type rifle. My total cost will be around $550, and all the components are NIB.
I would bet that Rock River has multiplied its sales by a factor of 10 since then. After it was found that RRA has quality about that of the A/B/C manufacturers, they became extremely popular.
I am currently building a RRA M4-type rifle. My total cost will be around $550, and all the components are NIB.
Rob96
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True, DPMS does use a barrel that is non-chrome lined. But the true benefit and requirement of a chrome lined barrel don't apply to us civies. Now if you happen to be lucky enough to have one that is full auto then go chrome. DPMS also has a baked on teflon finish, but.........underneath that teflon finish is the mil-spec anodized coating. As long as you stay away from ASA and Hesse you will be fine.
Jack19
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In this month's sales flyer, SOG has several models of Bushmasters priced at $699.
gun-fucious
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according to the BATF
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2001.pdf
in 2001
RRA made 1245 rifles
Bushmaster made 31346
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2001.pdf
in 2001
RRA made 1245 rifles
Bushmaster made 31346
Texas Gunman
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I just purchased a Bushmaster A2 shorty, little over a week ago, and spent the last seven days out at the ranch, ran 1000+rds through the bushmaster.
It was flawless and very accurate, to me it is worth the extra money.
TG
It was flawless and very accurate, to me it is worth the extra money.
TG
gun-fucious,
I think we all understand the economics involved, and in general you're quite correct. However, recall how Bushmaster started. They were a small company which offered a product as good as the Big Boys at a lower cost.
It happens.
RRA would seem to be doing it in turn to Bushmaster.
Mike
I think we all understand the economics involved, and in general you're quite correct. However, recall how Bushmaster started. They were a small company which offered a product as good as the Big Boys at a lower cost.
It happens.
RRA would seem to be doing it in turn to Bushmaster.
Mike
cslinger
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Not to turn this into a my brand is better than your brand but here are my observations. Yes they are highly insightful and technical and with both those and buck you can get a cup a coffee.
Sheslingers AR-15 is a Bushy. It is a very nicely put together, fit and finished firearm. It has been stone reliable and looks great. It came with a hard case and sling which may not cost must but are nice touches. We got a smoking deal on it.
The RRA's I have seen, seem to have a rougher fit and finish then the Bushy's and price being the same or close I like the Bushy better. I would say the Bushmaster is worth $50-$100 bucks more than a comparable Rock River. When we bought her Bushmaster the price of the Bushmaster actually came out lower out the door then the RRA. If it had been different we would have a RRA.
Now based on my experience with this Bushmaster I really think I would buy from them again for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, I am completely satisfied with the product. It is the first AR-15 that has really brought me around to the way of the AR. I traditionally have not really cared for them but this one did it for me. I guess it was just time.
Second I really think they are a pro-second amendment company and I think they are getting the shaft over the "sniper" murders. I use the term sniper very loosely. I really would like to give them some more of my money. Sort of a legal fund donation with the benefit that I get a nice gun out of it.
Just for the record I don't want to belittle the pain and suffering of all those affected by those animals. I realize their pain must be great and that they are just lashing out looking for some closure. I just don't think they are lashing out in the right direction and I feel I want to support Bushmaster.
Would I buy a RRA, yep probably my second choice. As a matter of fact I am comtemplating a future purchase of that tactical entry upper that RRA makes.
I agree that RRA is doing what Bushmaster did 10 years ago, the little guy who is making a superior product for a low price. Their prices, however, have seemed to jump a bit to where they seem to be close to Bushmaster in price. I don't think they can do this just yet. They may have to due to whatever factors but I think it would be in their best interest to continue to try to undersell the competition for another couple of years.
Chris
Sheslingers AR-15 is a Bushy. It is a very nicely put together, fit and finished firearm. It has been stone reliable and looks great. It came with a hard case and sling which may not cost must but are nice touches. We got a smoking deal on it.
The RRA's I have seen, seem to have a rougher fit and finish then the Bushy's and price being the same or close I like the Bushy better. I would say the Bushmaster is worth $50-$100 bucks more than a comparable Rock River. When we bought her Bushmaster the price of the Bushmaster actually came out lower out the door then the RRA. If it had been different we would have a RRA.
Now based on my experience with this Bushmaster I really think I would buy from them again for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, I am completely satisfied with the product. It is the first AR-15 that has really brought me around to the way of the AR. I traditionally have not really cared for them but this one did it for me. I guess it was just time.
Second I really think they are a pro-second amendment company and I think they are getting the shaft over the "sniper" murders. I use the term sniper very loosely. I really would like to give them some more of my money. Sort of a legal fund donation with the benefit that I get a nice gun out of it.
Just for the record I don't want to belittle the pain and suffering of all those affected by those animals. I realize their pain must be great and that they are just lashing out looking for some closure. I just don't think they are lashing out in the right direction and I feel I want to support Bushmaster.
Would I buy a RRA, yep probably my second choice. As a matter of fact I am comtemplating a future purchase of that tactical entry upper that RRA makes.
I agree that RRA is doing what Bushmaster did 10 years ago, the little guy who is making a superior product for a low price. Their prices, however, have seemed to jump a bit to where they seem to be close to Bushmaster in price. I don't think they can do this just yet. They may have to due to whatever factors but I think it would be in their best interest to continue to try to undersell the competition for another couple of years.
Chris
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