CHL carrier kills man

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Brush it off as a questionable shoot ? C'mon now, a man is dead for getting into a verbal altercation. If I shot everyone who got in my face I'd have been rightly banged away a long time ago. And because the other guy is black some of you are making up whole story lines in your head about what happened and how he probably has a criminal record,
a lengthy one, including probably assault and battery
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Sad. Really sad.:barf:
 
A friend of mine in AZ shot a drugged up young punk that jumped over his fence at 3am on a Sunday morning, kicked his rear patio door in, refused to leave, and even after he bashed him in the head with the shotgun butt, got up again and again, all the time threatening to kill him. When he saw that the guy was nuts and it was going to be a fight to the death, he shot and killed him. The police arrived one minute later, his wife was on the phone the whole time. The punk was evicted from a party one block over by the police, but instead of locking him up for the night, let him go even after he threatened that he was going back to "get them". He mistakenly picked my friend's house instead, and at age 22 he already had a lengthy record for drug dealing, car theft, burglary et al. Guess what the newspapers reported?

Young man slain for inadvertently trespassing.
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This story made me sick to my stomach. The media makes me sick. Hopefully the jury will be more fair than the newspaper that reported this.
 
When I first read this, the first thing I thought of was not "is he guilty of murder", or "was the shooting racially motivated", or even "what will this mean for public opinion on concealed carry," but this:

"How on earth do you get a clear shot on a bus with thirty people?"

The fact that he managed not to put the bullet through the person who bumped into him and into someone else, is pretty neat really. Anybody know what caliber he was using? I haven't seen much discussion of what's a good round to use in a crowd, unless it was a .22 (one of the deadliest cop-killer bullets ever invented).
 
While..

most of us, myself included, distain the .22LR cartrigde for self-defense, the last two people who died of gunshot wounds in Hawaii were shot with .22LR firearms.

One was an off duty deputy stopping a robbery at a bar (other workers then subdued the robber) and the other was a home invader that ended up downed by the home occupant with a .22 rifle.

A case a couple of years ago... two opposing gangs of gambling parlor (illegal) security thugs shot it out in a golf course parking lot. More than one dead..only .380 acp and .22 lr firearms were used.

Seems a .22LR is better than a sharp stick.

migoi
 
Heard the lunchtime news on the local ABC channel. They're decidedly more 2a/gun friendly than the others (used to have a dedicated, full-time hunting reporter).

Anywho, the talking heads reported that a grand jury 'may' convene in this case, but no one know for sure. As of now, he is charged with 'murder' in the shooting. The facts as they have it now: the victim and CHL were riding the bus together. Victim or CHL bumps the other and a verbal altercation starts. News reports state the victim pulled a knife, and the CHL shot in self-defense. The CHL was arrested shortly afterwards.

This guy may have thought he was in the right and decided to stick around. He didn't run when the police came, so that says something right there. That he was arrested confirms that Houston has a crummy DA's office.

I know the neighborhood where the shooting occured. It is in the Westchase district. That particular intersection and surrounding area is not a place I travel socially, but I used to work at a bank branch nearby. High gang activity, crime, drugs, the whole gamut of bad things happening in one geographic locale. Lots of clubs on Westheimer and at the tail end of the Richmond Strip. Shootings happen there almost every weekend. Definitely an area where you tread lightly. Just my .02 cents worth.

Just talked to a local PD. He is not directly familiar with the case, but has heard of it through local donut munching sessions. No one is saying much outside of the court system and press. Until ALL the witness statements are processed and corroborated, we may not know much more for some time. Nobody knows for sure if the victim pulled a knife or not, and no one's talking about it.
 
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Prosecutors said Garrett Mallot first pulled a knife, then a .357-caliber Magnum pistol during the dispute with Otis James Francis
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From the Chronicle article I linked to. Frostbiker's account makes much more sense (who pulls a knife, then puts it away to pull their gun?).
 
"That guy said he was going to kick my ass," Mallot told authorities. He told police he then pulled a knife and Francis repeated the threat.
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Wow .. if he really said that .. he is dumber than what I thought .. That shows that he KNEW Francis was not threatening his life .. What an idiot .. He should have remained silent .. That statement will haunt him .. He pulled a knife then stopped and pulled a gun .. shows that it took more than a split second action due to his life being threatened .. Very bad situation ..
 
Having been a LOOONNNGGGG DISTANT PAST customer of Metro, I know what the bus layout is like. It is pretty tight confines standing in the aisle. If these two guys were bowing up to each other and in each other's face, I can only assume that the other 20+ witnesses may or may not have had direct line of sight to the alleged knife. We're going to see a lot of conflicting reports on this.
 
I have not yet seen it published that the VICTIM had a knife .. I saw someone wrote it .. but no link to eye witness report or anything .. From what I read the SUSPECT pulled the knife and gun ..
 
Thanks for the update, Frostbiker!

I now feel comfortable making the personal assessment that this man is obviously innocient of murder: bad reporting, bad DA.
 
Whether the guy is guilty or not, the paper made a point of saying that he's a CHL holder. Did they make a point of saying that the home invaders who murdered the preacher weren't? Let me go back and look...
Marty
 
Please show where it said the victim had a knife .. I have searched for a long time .. still haven't even seen that it was SPECULATED that the victim had a knife ..


My point .. I guess you can sum it up to incidents like this are horrible for us who wish to carry guns .. It is a shame that someone with that great responsibility makes such poor decisions..

Whats the point to post's that you make? discussion ..
 
"A gang of beardless not-overweight nor abnormally short men murdered and robbed a preacher, who was not blonde."
Okay, I exaggerate. :D

Nah, it doesn't bother me that they didn't mention that the robbers were unliscensed, nor that the Metro shooter was.
 
Funny how 30 witnesses suddenly dropped to 20.

While I would like to think all CHL carrying persons are sensible, law-abiding citizens, but I won't deny there are hotheads out there without criminal records that do carry CHLs and might pull a stunt like this. No demographic is free from idiots like this regardless of how many background checks are done.
 
Just reported buy the Give It Up Daily. Poodle dog attacks and kills middle aged man who was innocently walking down the street. The owner of the dog reportedly did have a permit for such a vicious dog..............yada yada. Damn, why do they always have to mention the breed and instead use the word dog? We all know poodles trained in the right hands can be trusted, therefor the "poodle" oops I meant the "dog" must be innocent. Besides the guy did have a permit. :banghead:
 
And because the other guy is black some of you are making up whole story lines in your head about what happened and how he probably has a criminal record

ANYONE in Houston who's going to start an argument because he got accidentally bumped into is more than likely going to have a criminal record. Hot headed people tend to have more brushes with the law. Add to the fact the crappy neighborhood they were in and yes, I'd imagine the victim probably had a record.

Do I think the shooting was legally justified? No. The victim threatened to fight the guy, who had a knife with him. If the victim attacked the guy, he could have easily defended himself with a knife while perhaps keeping a hand on his gun.

But the victim here really did not do anything to end the conflict. He started the conflict and continued the conflict.

HOWEVER, if the victim DID pull a knife on the CHL holder who shot him, then I don't see a crime being committed. In that case I think the guy was 100% justified in the shooting, with the only mistake being that he got on the bus in Houston.

There's no way in Hell I'll ever ride the bus in Houston. I don't even like being in Houston.
 
AHH Payback.....

Ahh the Brotherhood of the CCW Badge closes ranks to protect one of their own. :uhoh: This guy is obviously an example of why no one should be allowed to CCW. CCW holders are all petty little tyrants who carry guns to prove their manhood to themselves. :rolleyes: :evil:

Where is the rush to judgment we usually see when a police shooting is reported here? Where are the blanket condemnations? Where are the comments like I posted above?

Come on, I want to know. Things are a little different when the shoe is on the other foot.

I see an awful lot of what would be called closing ranks and the thin blue line protecting it's own comments if they we posted by a cop who was a member here in a thread on a police shooting.

Wait for facts??? HA, The news media has it wrong? HA...Those aren't excuses when a thread about a police shooting is posted. The media is never biased and gets all of the facts straight then.....

Just something for you to think about while you close ranks to protect CCW from a political onslaught.....

Jeff
 
Wait for facts??? HA, The news media has it wrong? HA...Those aren't excuses when a thread about a police shooting is posted. The media is never biased and gets all of the facts straight then.....
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Exactly .. I never quite got that .. I was hoping I wasn't the only one who felt this ..
 
Houston has not changed so much in the last 7 years.
The only truth you can count on from that source is the two names and who shot who. Maybe. Leaves everything else to everyones imagination.
 
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