CHL Holder Killed During Attempt To Stop Mass Shooting

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Good Morning America misses some details in Tyler shooting

Good Morning America, today (Friday) mentioned the shooting in Tyler, Texas.

Although their website does give some credit to Mark Wilson, (CCW holder) who interevened by returning fire, the segment in the news did not even mention him.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=530625

From the website.
The other victim, Mark Alan Wilson, 52, was credited by authorities with saving the life of David Hernandez Arroyo Jr.

The segment on TV gave the credit soley to police officers at the courthouse for stopping the murderer.

But the website says.
Wilson, a gun enthusiast who once owned a shooting range, intervened after Arroyo killed his ex-wife, witnesses said. Swindle, the police chief, said Wilson shot at Arroyo several times but his rounds weren't penetrating the armor.

Is this just a glossing over of the details?, or is it something a bit more?

I think it's quite sad that the media missed an opportunity to give accurate details of which they were in possession.
 
Don't know if it has made any national news yet; but an estranged husband with an AK-47 and body armor decided to kill his ex-wife and older son on the steps of the courthouse in Tyler, TX yesterday.

He fatally wounded his ex-wife and wounded his son when a local resident and CHL holder (I believe the name was Mark Wilson) stepped up and drew his carry piece shooting the assailant at least once before being fatally wounded himself.

The Tyler police chief credited his actions with saving the life of the son this morning as it allowed courthouse deputies time to respond and contain the shooter. The shooter reloaded three times during he shootout and was eventually killed. Two officers were wounded during the shootout.

Here is all I could find online yet:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7733646
 
I heard a report on the news this morning. I believe it was the police chief who said that the CHL holder was outgunned. A rifle vs. a handgun. He was very respectful about it and was just stating the facts. Apparently the shooter was wearing some sort of vest as well.
 
Fellas, I hate to say it but I can almost guarantee you that the AWB will be resurrected and it will be much worse this time around. It does not matter that this rifle and other rifles used of late would not have been banned under the old ban or not. Politicians see 'AK-47' and 'SKS' and that's all they need to see.

Buy 'em while you can.

GregnotapatheticjustarealistT
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA022505.1A.tyler_shoot.df4b4f88.html

Tyler clash over child support ends in deaths

Web Posted: 02/25/2005 12:00 AM CST

Bobby Ross Jr. and Liz Austin
Associated Press

TYLER — A man with an AK-47 assault rifle opened fire in the historic town square here Thursday, killing his ex-wife and a man who tried to stop the rampage prompted by a child support dispute.

The gunman was killed after a chase by police. Four people were wounded, including the gunman's son and three law officers.

The gunman, David Hernandez Arroyo Sr., 43, was wounded in the melee outside the Smith County Courthouse. As he fled, he fired at officers through the rear window of his pickup, Tyler Police Chief Gary Swindle said.

Authorities believe he may have been shot through the window during the pursuit, which lasted several miles. He was pronounced dead on arrival at a hospital.

Before fleeing, Arroyo exchanged gunfire with Mark Alan Wilson, 52, who lived near the courthouse.

Wilson had intervened after Arroyo killed his wife and began shooting his adult son, witnesses said. Smith County Sheriff J.B. Smith said deputies on the scene credited Wilson with saving the life of David Hernandez Arroyo Jr., 23.

"They traded shots, missing each other, and then the gunman hit Wilson and Wilson went down," Tyler Morning Telegraph publisher Nelson Clyde III said in today's editions of the newspaper.

Clyde watched the shooting from a nearby restaurant.

"The gunman walked up to Wilson and shot him while he was on the ground," Clyde said. "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was sickening."

A former business associate described Wilson as a gun enthusiast dedicated to the idea of self-defense.

Scott Lieberman, who was an investor in a shooting range once owned by Wilson, said Wilson had a concealed weapon permit and always carried a Colt .45-caliber handgun and was a passionate advocate of the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

"As sick as this sounds, I think he thought his whole life was geared into getting into this kind of defensive gun fight," Lieberman said. "Clearly, I think it was his destiny."


Police said the firefight began after Arroyo, wearing a flak jacket and bulletproof vest, confronted his ex-wife and adult son on the courthouse steps about a proceeding involving unpaid child support.

Law enforcement officers responded from inside the courthouse and confronted Arroyo, who's believed to have shot 50 rounds.

"We ran to the window and saw him shooting over and over and over again," said Julie Carnahan, a 57-year-old court clerk who had just returned from lunch at the time of the shooting. "It was the most horrible thing I ever saw."

Margo Adkins, a deputy court clerk, said everyone rushed to the window after hearing a popping sound. She said she saw a gunman, who appeared to be heavyset and in his 40s or 50s, and two officers down.

"The man who was down was holding up his hand like, 'Don't shoot me, or stop.' He was holding his hand out like 'don't shoot' because he and another deputy were shot," she said.

The victims were identified as ex-wife Maribel Estrada, 41, and Wilson. Estrada and Arroyo divorced a year ago after 22 years of marriage.

The man had a history of spousal abuse and weapons violations, and apparently was irate over the divorce.

"He definitely came well-armed and prepared. We do understand there had been some threats made by him the previous week," Swindle said.

Smith County Sheriff's Deputy Sherman Dollison, 28, was in critical condition at East Texas Medical Center after being shot four times. The man's son was shot in the legs and was in fair condition.

A sheriff's lieutenant and a police detective were treated and released.
 
All this little tale shows me is that gun laws do nothing to prevent the lawless from getting guns,,,,,,
 
Memorial Wall

Packing.org is considering starting a virtual "Memorial Wall". It will list the names of hero citizens who give their life defending another. They are intending to start the wall with Mr. Mark Wilsons name. If any of you are members would you please add your vote. Thanks.
 
Anyone see a reason for civilian ownership of the FN FiveseveN with SS190 and SS192 rounds yet?

I'm betting brady's minions are praying the leftwing media cover up the details of this shooting.
 
That has got to be the scariest thing ever! Here this guy steps up to try and save someone's life but his gun mine as well be a BB gun if he is trying to shoot him in the chest!! I think that would be so frustrating. I guess that is why you should practice headshots. :confused:
 
Diagram of the scene, and more info on the CCW holder's tactics.
www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1994&dept_id=227937&newsid=14032708&PAG=461&rfi=9

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He saw another man with a gun, later identified as Mark Wilson, a former shooting range owner, hiding behind the gunman's parked truck.

"The shooter couldn't see him, but I could see both of them," Wilbanks said. "When the shooter stopped to reload, the guy behind the pickup came up and fired."

Wilbanks said he thought to himself, "I hope he is accurate."

"He hit him twice, he hit him bad, but he didn't kill him," he said.

The gunman, David Arroyo, was wearing body armor.

Wilbanks saw Arroyo turn around and fire at Wilson. Then the shooter got in his truck to leave.

Apparently the shooter positioned himself between the courthouse and the area where local police and sheriffs parked their vehicles. As a result, the local law enforcement was cut off from access to the long guns in their vehicles and forced to rely on sidearms until the assailant left in his truck.
 
More News

I found some more news.

Tyler Morning Telegraph

SURVEYING THE AREA: Tyler police investigate the scene on Spring Street in Tyler, Thursday. (Staff Photo By: Herb Nygren Jr.)


Deeply held beliefs led both Maribel Estrada and Mark Allen Wilson to the Smith County Courthouse on Thursday.

Ms. Estrada was in court on behalf of her children, in what authorities say was a bitter dispute over child support. Mark Allen Wilson was there defending the innocent. Both died when Ms. Estrada's ex-husband, David Hernandez Arroyo Sr., opened fire outside the courthouse.

The eldest son of Ms. Estrada and Arroyo, David Hernandez Arroyo Jr., 23, was wounded in the shooting spree. Also wounded were Smith County sheriff's Deputy Sherman Dollison, 28; sheriff's Lt. Marlin Suell, 38; and Tyler police Officer Clay Perrett, 54.

Maribel Estrada, 41

"She was a good mother," Tyler attorney Joshua Wintters said late Thursday. "She didn't speak English very well, but she really was a nice lady. She was just one of the many struggling mothers, doing her best. I remember taking her case because I saw that in her."


Wintters represented Ms. Estrada in her 2003 divorce from Arroyo. She and Arroyo had four children; two were over 18 at the time of the divorce, Wintters explained.

"Her children were her main concern," he said. "This is a real loss."

Mark Allen Wilson, 52

No one who knew Mark Allen Wilson is surprised by his sacrifice.

John O'Sullivan, who owned the downtown building where Mark Wilson lived, said Wilson was a good friend.

"He didn't shy away from danger," O'Sullivan said. "He always jumped into things."

He said Wilson's response to the rampage was "typical Mark Wilson."

Wilson opened an indoor gun range in Tyler, On-Target, in 1997. It was a facility focused on self-defense, say people who knew him.

Tyler cardiologist Dr. Scott Lieberman, Wilson's friend and former business associate, said Wilson was a "fundamental believer in self-defense and protection."

"He was demonstrating that today," Lieberman said. "He had a strong sense of honor and protection."

That sense of protection extended to the entire downtown area, Wilson's friends say.

"He was a downtown fixture, having been there for so long," said one neighbor, Billy Boone. "He looked out for everyone else's place. If something looked wrong or out of place, he'd check on it."

Wilson's apartment looked directly onto the courthouse, Boone added.

"He had a bird's-eye view of what was happening," Boone said. "I imagine he saw it and immediately reacted. That's the kind of guy he was."

Mark Anderson, a friend, agreed. "It was a very heroic thing for him to do. But he lost his life in the process."


Roy Maynard covers county government and politics. He can be reached at 903.596.6291. e-mail: [email protected]


Another Article


A Tyler man embroiled in a bitter child support dispute opened fire Thursday on his ex-wife and son with a high-powered rifle, killing the woman and a bystander who attempted to intervene.

Several people, including three lawmen, were wounded in the exchange, which began about 1:25 p.m. outside the Smith County Courthouse.

Police ultimately shot and killed David Hernandez Arroyo Sr. after he fired repeatedly at officers during a two-mile chase that ended off U.S. Highway 271.

The 43-year-old suspect, who was wearing multiple layers of body armor, died in a hail of police gunfire after authorities rammed his pickup and he emerged, gun raised and firing.

The scene around the normally quiet courthouse turned into chaos as people dove for cover to escape the gunman. Office workers scrambled to lock doors and crawl to safety.


Authorities said it was the bloodiest day in recent memory.

The dead, both of Tyler, have been identified as Maribel Estrada, 41, and Mark Allen Wilson, 52, a personal trainer and gun enthusiast. The wounded include David Arroyo Jr., 23, the suspect's son, three law enforcement officers and a bystander. Others were injured by flying glass.

Authorities surmised afterward the deceased never had a chance.

Details continue to emerge, but preliminary evidence suggests Arroyo planned the ambush to the minutest detail.

He was armed with an AK-47, two types of body armor and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, said Tyler Police Chief Gary Swindle.

Authorities were still trying to determine how Arroyo obtained the weapon and body armor, and officers were searching his home in Tyler Thursday evening.

Within a span of about two minutes, the downtown square in Tyler was transformed to a landscape of shell casings, broken glass and stunned witnesses.

"I saw people lying everywhere that had been shot," said a dazed Nathan Hoffman, an attorney working directly across the street from the courthouse when shots rang out.

"I saw a guy walking down the street with a high-powered rifle shooting at the courthouse," Hoffman said. "I said, 'Everyone move to the back of the office!'" By then, the scene erupted in chaos.

The gunman, Hoffman said, was "just running down the street shooting."

Witnesses said Arroyo ambushed his ex-wife and son outside the courthouse and started firing.

Ms. Estrada was struck multiple times and died on the lower steps on the east side of the courthouse, officials said.

Arroyo continued firing, aiming next at his son.

"He was either wounded or dead, but the guy (Arroyo) shot him again to make sure he wouldn't get up," said witness Brandon Malone, a Tyler builder who was lunching inside Don Juan's.

Smith County Sheriff's Deputy Sherman Dollison, 28, who was serving as a substitute bailiff for the day, was shot multiple times while standing on the landing of the courthouse steps.

He is listed in critical condition at East Texas Medical Center with injuries to the lungs and liver.

SCSO Lt. Marlin Suell, 38, and Tyler Police Det. Clay Perrett, 54, were injured by stray gunfire - Suell in the back of the neck and Perrett to the side of the face.

Repeated shots fired by the suspect shattered glass and sent bystanders scurrying for cover, behind benches, bushes and vehicles.

Several people were wounded by flying glass and one man fell unconscious after suffering a seizure, a hospital spokeswoman said.

The noise prompted Mark Wilson, a gun enthusiast, to intervene as Arroyo continued to fire on his wounded son.

"They traded shots, missing each other, and then the gunman hit Wilson and Wilson went down," said Nelson Clyde III, publisher of the Tyler Morning Telegraph, recalling the shooting as he watched from Don Juan's.

"The gunman walked up to Wilson and shot him while he was on the ground," Clyde said. "I couldn't believe what I was seeing ... it was sickening."

Witnesses said Arroyo calmly walked to his truck, still trading shots with an unidentified man lying beside a Chevrolet, and climbed inside.

"He slowly backed up a bit, and drove away at normal speed, right past a patrol car," Clyde said.

Wilson approached the suspect and fired several times, but the shots appeared useless due to the multiple layers of body armor, witnesses said.

He was wearing both a bulletproof vest and a military flak jacket.

Arroyo turned and fired on Wilson, killing him just a few feet outside the front door of Levine's clothing store. The suspect climbed into his maroon Chevrolet stepside pickup and sped away.

Witness Ron Martell, a military veteran who watched the killing spree, trailed the fleeing suspect and pointed him out to police.

"At first, I couldn't believe it," he said. "I watched the suspect shoot that guy at least seven times. Then he got into his truck and casually drove away. I followed him."

City, county, state and federal law enforcement officers rushed to chase down the suspect and tend to the wounded.

Sirens wailing, authorities began chasing Arroyo, who fired at officers and the courthouse as he sped away from the killing scene.

The caravan of officers pursued the suspect to North Spring Avenue and onto East Gentry Parkway, trailing him to the area of U.S. 271 and Duncan Street.

Witnesses up and down the corridor rushed for cover from stray gunfire as Arroyo continued firing at officers.

"When they came through, there were a lot of shots flying around," said Henry Lee, manager of Rayson Automotive, 2021 E. Gentry Parkway. "I ducked."

A deputy rammed the man's vehicle, prompting him to emerge firing.

Officers returned fire, striking the man several times, at least once in the head.

Sobbing relatives rushed to the location, but were held at bay by authorities.

Authorities spent hours searching the highway for spent casings. Dozens of tiny markers documented the number of shots fired.

"Obviously he came prepared because he came with a bulletproof flak jacket," said Chief Swindle. "Witnesses reported seeing him reload."

Swindle said of the law officers on the scene, "They were simply outgunned. They were armed with handguns and he (Arroyo) was armed with an AK-47."

Arroyo had previously told his wife he would kill her if she pressed the issue of child support, authorities said.

"He came here with one thing in mind," Swindle said. "He had the act set in his mind to murder his ex-wife. He has a history of assaulting his ex-wife and several weapons offenses."

Authorities credited Wilson with possibly saving the life of Arroyo's son, who was reported to be in fair condition.

Swindle said the armor worn by Arroyo was designed to withstand not just bullets, but also landmine explosions.


Staff writers Patrick Butler and Roy Maynard contributed to this report.
 
He even waited for the guy to reload before firing. Sometimes all that practice just isn't good enough. A Mozambique drill would have helped, but who's to say he didn't try that - and miss.
 
Here's the story from CNN.com:

Courthouse shootout leaves three dead
Friday, February 25, 2005 Posted: 8:05 AM EST (1305 GMT)



Police investigate the scene of a shooting outside a courthouse in Tyler, Texas, on Thursday.
Image:


TYLER, Texas (AP) -- A man angry about being sued for unpaid child support opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle outside a courthouse, killing his ex-wife and a man trying to help the couple's adult son.

The gunman, 43-year-old David Hernandez Arroyo Sr., was killed Thursday afternoon in a gun battle with officers a few miles away after wounding his son and three law enforcement officers, one critically.

The son had been acting as a mediator between his parents, police said.

Police estimated that Arroyo, who had a history of spousal abuse and weapons violations, shot 50 rounds in the historic town square. He was wearing a military flak jacket and a bulletproof vest.

"He definitely came well-armed and prepared," police Chief Gary Swindle said. "We do understand there had been some threats made by him the previous week."

But the attorney representing Maribel Estrada, 41, said he doesn't believe she thought her ex-husband was dangerous. Estrada worked at a meat packing plant in Tyler and raised a 17-year-old and a 6-year-old with the help of her eldest son, Joshua Wintters said.

The other victim, Mark Alan Wilson, 52, was credited by authorities with saving the life of David Hernandez Arroyo Jr., who was listed in fair condition at a hospital with leg wounds. A sheriff's deputy, Sherman Dollison, 28, was in critical condition after being shot in the liver, lungs and legs; a sheriff's lieutenant and a Tyler police detective were treated and released.

"One of the deputies at the scene said if it hadn't been for Mr. Wilson," said Sheriff J.B. Smith, "the son would be dead."

Friends who visited the son in the hospital Thursday night said he told them that his father was always open about having a collection of weapons.

Aurea Seanez said the son told them, "And look now, he used them on us."

Wilson, a gun enthusiast who once owned a shooting range, intervened after Arroyo killed his ex-wife, witnesses said. Swindle, the police chief, said Wilson shot at Arroyo several times but his rounds weren't penetrating the armor.

"They traded shots, missing each other, and then the gunman hit Wilson and Wilson went down," Tyler Morning Telegraph publisher Nelson Clyde III said in Friday's editions of the newspaper. Clyde watched the shooting from a nearby restaurant.

"The gunman walked up to Wilson and shot him while he was on the ground," Clyde said. "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was sickening."

Estrada and Arroyo divorced in January 2004 after 22 years of marriage. Wintters wouldn't say why the two divorced.

Tyler, the seat of Smith County, is a city of about 86,000 located about 95 miles east of Dallas. Tyler calls itself the "Rose Capital of the Nation" and attracts about 100,000 visitors each October to the Texas Rose Festival.

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He's got a history of weapons violations, so he did not have the AK legally. That's good for us, but the Anti crowd will of course ignore that fact.
 
Sometimes, no matter what you do, you just keep on rolling craps...


The world is a poorer place today.
 
Hats off to Mark Wilson. He died with honor defending the innocent. Prayers go out to Mark, his family and friends.

Prayers for the wounded officers and their families. They and their fellow officers did a fine job yesterday.

Would any of us have done the same as Mark Wilson? I like to think I would, but I don't think any of us can know until it happens.

And good riddance to <spit> David Arroyo the cowardly dog who ambushed his own for love of money.
 
Amazing story. They just did a little blurb on Fox News. The host at the time, Kiren Chetry ?sp, was amazed when the deputy mentioned the ccw stepping in and possibly saving lives. Her reply was to the effect of, "You don't reccomend that sort of thing do you?", and "Yeah but he lost his life." I guess that sort of sacrifice doesn't register with media types.
 
I believe in God and and a Heaven, and I also believe there is an automatic pass for anyone that lays down their life in the defense of another.
 
That would be a hell of a situation. A guy wearing a vest and a flak jacket (under clothes, I assume) and an AK versus one of us with their carry piece. The odds were against him from the start. But his sacrifice wasn't in vain and there are few ways a man can go that are more honorable.
 
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