Ciener conversions for Glocks

[Owen]

Ciener conversins for Glocks

Does anyone have any experience with the Ciener .22LR conversions for the Glock 17? I want to get a lot more trigger time on my G17. I shoot 300 to 800 rounds a week, but I would like to both shoot more, and do it cheaper. Is the conversion about the same accuracy level, much more accurate, etc. Is it extremely reliable? kind of reliable?

Does anyone is South Carolina have one I can fondle?

Owen

 

[SDC]

You might also want to look at the Advantage Arms conversions; from what I hear, they're the preferred conversion kit, because they come with adjustable sights. HTH
http://www.advantagearms.com/

 

[Silent Bob]

Do yourself a favor, forget the Ciener and look at the Advantage Arms kits. The AACK's slide locks back after the last shot, it has a firing pin safety, is hard-anodized and Advantage Arms has excellent customer service should you have an issue of some sort or a question.

 

[CWatson]

Another vote for the Advantage Arms.I got one for my model 19 Glock.A much better setup than the Ciener.CW

 

[Owen]

On the advantage arms kit, are the sights attached the same way as the Glock sights? I am going to put Heinie's on my G-17 soon, and would like to have the ability to put them on a .22 conversion kit. I was coing to bring the ciener into work, and mill it to match, but if the advantage arms gun uses the standard Glock sights, that is just gravy.

How accurate are the the advantage conversions?

Owen

 

[Oracle]

You can get the Advantage Arms conversion kits with either the standard Glock sights or with target sights, your choice.

Avoid, avoid, avoid Jonathan Arthur Ciener at all costs. The man is an extremely poor person to do business with, and offers no customer service. If you don't like the quality of what he sends you, you're stuck with it. There is a reason he doesn't take credit cards, it's so you can't do a chargeback. I will never do business with that man or his company again, and would strongly advise others not to as well.

As for Advantage Arms, I've heard nothing but good about them, but have no personal experience with them. Do a search on Glocktalk, there are many threads there from satisfied owners of the Advantage Arms Glock kit.

 

[CWatson]

The sights on the AA conversions are Glock factory sites.A word of note,be sure you get the L.E. version,it has standard factory fixed sights front and rear and can be removed replace just like Glock ment them to be.The target version has a trimed up slide(lighter?)and adjustable rears but the front sight is part of the slide and CAN NOT be remove/replaced.CW

 

[Tamara]

My roommate has and enjoys Advantage Arms conversions for his G23 and G27.

I have a Ciener 1911 unit and like it a lot. It works on all my full-size .45 1911's except the Pro. It's big dirty fun.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Avoid, avoid, avoid Jonathan Arthur Ciener at all costs. The man is an extremely poor person to do business with, and offers no customer service. If you don't like the quality of what he sends you, you're stuck with it. There is a reason he doesn't take credit cards, it's so you can't do a chargeback. I will never do business with that man or his company again, and would strongly advise others not to as well.

I can't tell you how glad I am that Liar Gore invented the internet and made it so much more difficult for people to get away with unscrupulous business practices ad infinitum.

 

[DBR]

I concur with the comments regarding Jonathan Arthur Ciener. I sent my Glock 23 conversion back to him twice and it never did work- 3 to 4 misfires per mag. He refused to take it back. That's the last he will see of me or anyone who asks me.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Thanks for the scoop on Ciener.

 

[10-Ring]

Here's another vote for the AA kits. I've only used the Ceiner kit on a 1911 & it seemed to work pretty well.

 

[Brian D.]

I don't normally use these forums to bash anybody, but for Mr. Ciener, I'll make an exception. Since he wouldn't make good on fixing/replacing the G22 conversion kit I bought from him, no choice but to do a BUNCH of work fixing it myself. If this was supposed to be one of those difficult experiences that make a person stronger, well, you coulda called me Hercules by the time I got the Ciener kit running right.

 

[DBR]

To be fair, the Ciener 1911 conversion did work OK on one gun but did not fit a 1917 original GI frame. I simply would not do any future business with a man who has the f*** the customer attitude of this person (I refrain from calling him a gentleman).

 

[Futo Inu]

Well this is news to me about Ciener, but it seems corroborated, so sounds like you might do well avoiding him, and going with the AA. I personally do have a Ciener .22 slide for 1911, and it works just fine, so I've never had a need to ask for customer service. In any event, my Ciener does have adjustable sights - It cost about $30-$50 more than the fixed sight one - forget exactly how much. It shoots well and is a load of fun.

 

[Greybeard]

Another unhappy owner here of Ciener kit for 17. Very accurate but way too many misfires well beyond "breakin period". And a tendency to shift blame to the ammo.

Some beautiful pieces of engineering and machine work in that kit to be such an overall POS. :banghead:

Anyone think Advantage Arms might give me anything as trade in?

 

[Johnny Guest]

Well, there seems to be a pretty solid concensus - - -

Ciener Glock conversions = No Good A-Tall!

Ciener 1911 conversions = Work well.

I've never tried the Glock unit, but have a couple of shooting pals who are very dissatisfied with them.

My son and I have a couple of thousand rounds through a 1911 Platinum Cup conversion, and it works fine with anything we've tried, EXCEPT the Winchester Wildcat cheapo ammo. It needs brushing out every five or six boxes, though. Far more accurate than two different Colt conversion kits. Less complicated, too.

Sorry to hear of the lousy customer support from Ciener. Never had reason to try it, myself.

Best,
Johnny

 

[herman07]

I broke out my ciener conversion for my glock 23 today. I paid little for it on ebay, before they banned such auctions, and have not been able to make it work,

I shot one round, it fired, ejected, and fed the next round fine. Pulled the trigger and "click." I found that if I pushed the slide forward after each new round fed, it would fire.

I took a closer look at why it would not return to battery. I discovered that the "nose" of the extractor was too long and held the slide out of battery just enough that the firing pin would not hit the rim. Push forward, pull trigger, and "bang."

So I break out the file and go to work on the nose of the extractor. After many swipes, still too long. Then I broke out the dremel. I aggressively reshaped the nose of the extractor while leaving the business end alone.

The unit now seems to work. I ran out of daylight, so I will need more time to tell if it is really fixed.

I can't recommend that anybody buy one, but for those of you that have one you can't get running, I thought this might help. If you can't make your run, trash it and send me your magazines, I could use one or two more now.

 

[VA27]

I guess I just got lucky. I bought a Ciener kit for my G17 when he was the only game in town (from Brownell's). After a 100 rounds it ran perfectly. It also works perfectly on my G22. I have had the same luck with my AR15 adapter.

The sights are machined as part of the slide and are non-adjustable, but the thing shoots just about any round I care to put through it to point of aim, even SSS.

I've heard a lot of complaints about the man himself, but I've got no kick with his product.

 

[Hk Dan]

LOLOLOLOL--Guys...why bash Ciener?

Call Ciener and let him bash himself. In 30 seconds you'll decide never to send them a red cent.

I had one for a G19/G23. It was INCREDIBLY accurate--I mean 5/8" at 50 yards off a rest. But it had to be surgically clean, fed fast ammo, and the mags wanted gease in specific spots. It was good for about 300 rounds, and then turned it's nose up at my efforts on the range in favor of a good cleaning and spa treatment.

The AA kit has run through 600 rounds. It ain't 5/8" at 50 yards, but it might do that at 15. It's not AS fussy with ammo, but it wants 1250 FPS plus and it doesn't like Federal.

Seriously, call Ciener. I won't post what their answering machine says, but you will after you hear it (unless they got a lick of sense and changed it). You won't believe your ears.

Dan