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The right to bear arms is suspended when a custodial arrest is made (for obvious reasons!). Other rights are not - 1st, 4th (to a certain extent), 5th and 6th for sure...blah blah blah

This makes no sense. One cannot be deprived of rights without due process. The Fourth Amendment deals with unreasonable searches and seizures and there is an enormous body of court law dealing with what constitutes that.

The Miranda Act is used prior to custodial interviews and interrogations so that any admissions or confessions by the person being interrogated are admissable in court.

There is no "Miranda Act." An act is an action of the legislature. The Miranda Rights Rule is the result of a Supreme Court decision in that case, Miranda v Arizona.

I will say once again, there is a reason cops are not lawyers.
 
I can't speak for other officers, but you have no idea how over-wrought someone can get until you hand them a ticket.

I've had more blow-ups, items slapped out of my hands, fingers poked into my chest, hats thrown at me, spittle-powered screeching at six inches, ticket books thrown, patrol car abuse and miscellaneous other temper-tantrums than any other contact I've had with the public.

I've had a citizen literally run up the hood of my cruiser and kick the lightbar until it came loose because I wrote him a ticket for doing 60 MPH through a school zone at 3:00 PM.

It only takes a couple of road-side detonations before an officer starts to ruminate on whether or not he wants the next citizen he cites to be within reach of a gun at ticket-signing time.

LawDog
 
LawDog, I feel for officers going into that situation because you never know when the guy you stop for a broken tail light is gonna turn out to be the next Charles Manson. Without someone on the other side holding a shotgun or AR trained on the car occupants I dont think anyone could pay me enough to do that kind of work.
 
I was pulled over a couple weeks ago for driving with expired license plates. I told the cop I was carrying and had a CCW. He wasn't interested in the gun at all. He wanted to know how come I was driving with plates that had expired nine months earlier.

I figured the state sent out forms.

If I were a cop, I'd disarm somebody who was clearly hostile; otherwise, I'd have to figure we're both adults.
 
Rabbi, we do a lot of laughing about it. :D

StandingWolf, like I said, I haven't disarmed a CHL on a stop in years. Yack about guns, run his DL, warn him about his problem, and move on out.

LawDog
 
A "terry" stop is a temporary detention to investigate the activity of an individual for which there is reason to suspect past, present, or future criminal action. A terry stop can be a traffic stop on a car leaving a dope house or it can be on a man walking down the street with a long overcoat on with a long shapen bulge underneath on a hot summer day.

Common sense is the key here. If a copper want to hold on the shootin' iron, play along. If he/she if fine with it, rock on.

As for the taking a person into custody, imagine this.

"Sir, step out of the car for me? Why officer? Sir, you have a _________ (insert reason for arrest). By the way, can you hand over that gun of yours."

Those, folks, are not good tactics. That is a recipe for disaster as was described by Lawdog above.

Money is not often a reason described by coppers as to why the do the job. It sure isn't the hours either. There are cops out there getting paid the same amount as a fellow working at McDonald's. The duties and olbligations of the everyday police officer are righteous and noble.
 
There is a reason that cops wear body armor and wear a second gun. People routinely try to kill them.
"Routinely"?

My Webster's defines "routine" as: (1) of a commonplace or repetitious character; ORDINARY; (2) of, relating to, or being in accordance with established procedure. Routinely--adv.

So you are trying to have us believe that it is commonplace, repetitious, or established practice for people to try to kill police officers? I'd say that's a bit of a stretch. How many years have you been an LEO and just how "routinely" do people try to kill you?
 
"Unless the cops are up to really bad mischief, they have nothing to fear from armed citizens."

Unless the armed citizens are up to really bad mischief, they have nothing to fear from cops.
 
And this one went downhill in a hurry.

To think, I even got out my favorite Trunk Monkey video to lighten things up.

*sigh*

Oh, well.

Lights out.

LawDog
 
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