"Clearing" barrel

[Demi-human]

Gotten pretty far from the physics of it haven’t we?

Yes, a clearing barrel is a thing.
Dry sand works.
Wet sand does not.
You don’t have to use it if you don’t want to, unless your job makes you.
Most old men are going to curmudgeon.
Younger men will rib them for it.
The sun rises.

(Still does not understand women...)

 

[Old Dog]

Gotten pretty far from the physics of it haven’t we?

Yes, a clearing barrel is a thing.
Dry sand works.
Wet sand does not.
You don’t have to use it if you don’t want to, unless your job makes you.
Most old men are going to curmudgeon.
Younger men will rib them for it.
The sun rises.

(Still does not understand women...)

The dogs bark, and the caravan moves on ...

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Funny (and predictable) how this took somewhat of a left turn on the issue of safety and behavior.

Safety is as safety does. And safe behavior isn't about absolutes (because safety is relative, not absolute), it's about reasonable precautions proportionate to the relative risks/consequences involved.

We can all agree that the consequences of having a negligent or accidental discharge are potentially very grave indeed. (Note the two are not the same, but the potential consequences are.)

Safety is thus layered, especially with firearms. How much layering is desired/required is something based on reasonable assumptions, experience, and personal choice/opinion.

For personal choice/opinion, I don't care so long as it's sound and reasonably safe. Maybe I won't do things the same way, but if it works, why make a "big deal" over it?

We all know (or should know) that the most dangerous time around a firearm is when it's actually being handled. Loading/unloading, holstering/unholstering, etc.

And every firearm is designed differently, requiring different handling actions for various events.

Take reasonable safety precautions accordingly.

If you differ in safety precautions, then discuss them on their relative merits and leave the emotional aspect aside. Technical discussions and the like are much better.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

If you're going to have this sand bucket, you might as well keep a set of ear muffs there, You won't like the results if you set off a round in a closet or small room.

You said WHAT?

Lotta truth to that

 

[danez71]

Funny (and predictable) how this took somewhat of a left turn on the issue of safety and behavior.

Safety is as safety does. And safe behavior isn't about absolutes (because safety is relative, not absolute), it's about reasonable precautions proportionate to the relative risks/consequences involved.

We can all agree that the consequences of having a negligent or accidental discharge are potentially very grave indeed. (Note the two are not the same, but the potential consequences are.)

Safety is thus layered, especially with firearms. How much layering is desired/required is something based on reasonable assumptions, experience, and personal choice/opinion.

For personal choice/opinion, I don't care so long as it's sound and reasonably safe. Maybe I won't do things there same way, but if it works, why make a "big deal" over it?

We all know (or should know) that the most dangerous time around a firearm is when it's actually being handled. Loading/unloading, holstering/unholstering, etc.

And every firearm is designed differently, requiring different handling actions for various events.

Take reasonable safety precautions accordingly.

If you differ in safety precautions, then discuss them on their relative merits and leave the emotional aspect aside. Technical discussions and the like are much better.

This thread and the thread that morphed accident vs negligent highlight the "what I think is absolute and if you think differently then you're an idiot" mentality.

Much about day to day life is about risk management. Walking to the kitchen and getting a drink of water carries a risk. Not doing it also carries risk. There are several ways to do it that most would consider reasonably safe. Not doing it is ultimately not safe.


Portraying that there is only one safe method in order to achieve gun safety utopia is demonstrating a lack of critical thinking skills similar to those that think eliminating all guns will achieve gun safety utopia.


As RetiredUSNChief points out, risk is reduced as safety is layered. It's not an absolute.

The layered vs absolute mentality difference is why manual thumb safety vs not having one is always contentious.

 

[herrwalther]

Any examples of 4" dia plastic tube that is 1/4" thick max that been used as a bullet trap? I've never seen one and I wouldn't want to be next to it.

The bigger the tube, the more effective it will be. As I mentioned, the one at our OCUNUS base was 5" around. I have seen as large as 8 inch pipes. Smallest I have ever seen used as a clearing barrel was 3 inch and that is pushing safety. Most of the clearing barrels that use PVC have some buildup around it such as sandbags. Firearm safety is layers.

If you're going to have this sand bucket, you might as well keep a set of ear muffs there, You won't like the results if you set off a round in a closet or small room.

Sorta been there. Most military clearing barrels are outside. Hearing a round go off into one when you are a few people away, outside, is still quiet noticeable.

 

[Insignificant bill]

5 gallon bucket filled with sand sounds reasonable and cheap.