"Clearing" barrel

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If one practices basic gun safety for this activity - and does it while sober and not distracted, there is no reason it should ever happen. Mag removed, slide pulled back and locked, physical check of chamber(use light if needed), close slide - and for Glocks - pull trigger and disassemble - my two boys could do that at 10 years old; idiocy, complacency and a cavalier attitude lead to stupid things happening.
 
A good carpenter is one who doesn’t do it anymore, but still has his fingers.
Same for those who make use explosives.

Saying it can never happen to me means I have quit and will never shoot again, thus it will never happen to me. (Where is some wood to knock on? I am a carpenter with ten still!)

Especially given some of the examples here. It would seem that an ND means anything from not hitting the bullseye to being at fault for a slam fire.
I wonder if such absolutions would be applied surgeons? Each case has an ultimate Horrible Outcome with gradients before it. Is leaving a hemostat inside the abdomen, worse or the same as cutting one millimeter to far and needing an extra stitch?
Who would want to wear the “Black Mark” of any sort and be ostracized from their fellow enthusiasts? More so when they have learned a valuable lesson.
I guess a scarlet letter for those who don’t learn should be earned in their community.


While it’s a statistical probability it’s not an absolute. Many people go their whole lives without making the mistakes other people make.
Which is my, though not the OP, ultimate hope in this thread.


A contentious subject for sure.
 
Clearing barrels are popular sights on military bases all over. Some bases require weapons to be cleared before entering the chow hall, gym, shopping store etc. It can get quite redundant clearing your weapon a dozen times while shopping around base. Carrying an unloaded weapon is common place.

Overseas, our CG (commanding general) required all bases have a clearing barrel at all entry points. However, many of us were allowed to carry weapons with a loaded chamber because of how remote we were. So the clearing barrel was a length of PVC pipe about 5 inches around and 7/8 feet long stuck into the sand next to the gate. It rarely got used but it did serve its purpose and catch a few rounds.
 
A number of gun games go with the triple redundant procedure. The shooter looks into the chamber after he has unloaded the firearm.

Once he sees the chamber is clear, he then shows the RO that the firearm is clear.

Once the RO confirms that the firearm is unloaded and the chamber is clear, he tells the competitor to point the firearm into the berm and dry fire it.

The reason why is because, I can’t tell you how many times a firearm, confirmed unloaded and clear by two different people, just seconds apart, fired.

What better time for that to happen, than when the firearm is pointed in a safe direction...
 
A number of gun games go with the triple redundant procedure. The shooter looks into the chamber after he has unloaded the firearm.

Once he sees the chamber is clear, he then shows the RO that the firearm is clear.

Once the RO confirms that the firearm is unloaded and the chamber is clear, he tells the competitor to point the firearm into the berm and dry fire it.

The reason why is because, I can’t tell you how many times a firearm, confirmed unloaded and clear by two different people, just seconds apart, fired.

What better time for that to happen, than when the firearm is pointed in a safe direction...

Kathy Jackson discussed this in a Cornered Cat blog post. To paraphrase she said people are stupid and your mind sees what it expects to see.
 
After reading through all of this discussion I have decided that I'm going to get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with sand and put it in my storage room.

Because I live in an apartment and all the safe gun handling techniques in the world won't stop me from having a genuine malfunction
 
...have decided that I'm going to get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with sand and...

I wonder if a PVC 8'' pipe of an appropriate length and filled with similar media e.g. sand would work? Would take up much less space. Look better. Screw on bottom cap for the occasional cleaning, perhaps even a threaded tap kinda thingie towards bottom (to drain sand out if needed).

I mean, an 8'' PVC pipe 15'' long (+-) on some type of stand would look better, take up less space, and be much more easily moved if it were necessary. Just thinking out loud.
 
I wonder if a PVC 8'' pipe of an appropriate length and filled with similar media e.g. sand would work? Would take up much less space. Look better. Screw on bottom cap for the occasional cleaning, perhaps even a threaded tap kinda thingie (to drain sand out if needed).

I mean, an 8'' PVC pipe 15'' long (+-) on some type of stand would look better, take up less space, and be much more easily moved if it were necessary. Just thinking out loud.

You do you
 
I wonder if a PVC 8'' pipe of an appropriate length and filled with similar media e.g. sand would work? Would take up much less space. Look better. Screw on bottom cap for the occasional cleaning, perhaps even a threaded tap kinda thingie towards bottom (to drain sand out if needed).

I mean, an 8'' PVC pipe 15'' long (+-) on some type of stand would look better, take up less space, and be much more easily moved if it were necessary. Just thinking out loud.

For pretty much all handguns, 15" of sand will work fine. If you want to use it to safely clear something larger such as a rifle, go with more sand for an abundance of caution.
 
I wonder if a PVC 8'' pipe of an appropriate length and filled with similar media e.g. sand would work? Would take up much less space. Look better. Screw on bottom cap for the occasional cleaning, perhaps even a threaded tap kinda thingie towards bottom (to drain sand out if needed).

I mean, an 8'' PVC pipe 15'' long (+-) on some type of stand would look better, take up less space, and be much more easily moved if it were necessary. Just thinking out loud.


I'd be more affraid the bullet coming out the side with only 4".
 
I'd be more affraid the bullet coming out the side with only 4".

Why? All sides of the PVC pipe would be nearly parallel to the direction of travel for the bullet as long as you aim close to the center of the trap. Even the parabolic path of the round upwards would not be noticeable in a few feet of pipe. Buckets and pipes have been used as makeshift clearing barrels by the military for a long time.
 
Why? All sides of the PVC pipe would be nearly parallel to the direction of travel for the bullet as long as you aim close to the center of the trap. Even the parabolic path of the round upwards would not be noticeable in a few feet of pipe. Buckets and pipes have been used as makeshift clearing barrels by the military for a long time.

Any examples of 4" dia plastic tube that is 1/4" thick max that been used as a bullet trap? I've never seen one and I wouldn't want to be next to it.

Bullets deflect. PVC pipe isn't designed for any kind of impact.

Assuming you're perfectly dead center and the barrel is about a ft from the sand,,,,, wont take many degrees off before the bullet hits the PVC.

A buckets is likely at least 50% bigger diameter assuming a homedepot/lowes bucket.
 
I have owned and handled guns for 60 years now. Open your eyes, open the bolt, look and see method has always worked for me. I've never had an accidental, unexpected or unintentional firing. I don't think I'm going to give up what's always worked for a bucket of sand.
Edit: I had to come back to add this. I know someone's gonna get mad but. I have to say it. If you don't know enough to know if your guns loaded or not, Just maybe you are Not ready for your first gun.
 
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I have owned and handled guns for 60 years now. Open your eyes, open the bolt, look and see method has always worked for me. I've never had an accidental, unexpected or unintentional firing. I don't think I'm going to give up what's always worked for a bucket of sand.


So what I'm hearing you say is "It will never happen to me."
 
A clearing barrel seems a bit of overkill for home use. They are used at military bases and other places where there are many different people having to unload a handgun or rifle at all hours and the armory operators don't know or can't trust that everyone will use due diligence when safing their firearm to store it or turn it in, and a negligent discharge is much more likely. So, they make them point it into a water trap or sand trap safing barrel when they unload and safety check their sidearm before turning it in.

If you actually carry with a round in the chamber, and safe your pistol every day (practice, practice, practice) when you return it to the safe, you should be competent enough to do it properly without much fear of a negligent discharge. The key is actually LOOKING to see an empty chamber, and accounting for the round that was in it, before dropping the hammer, assuming the magazine was removed first.. My safe is next to my bed; my procedure is to drop the mag, rack and lock open the slide to eject the chambered round, account for the round (see it lying on the bed), visually ensure there is nothing in the chamber, then ride the slide into battery, point the pistol at the floor and pull the trigger. Of course, my 1911 doesn't have a magazine disconnect, so I can do it that way. In the infinitesimal chance that I missed something and the gun discharges, it will just make a hole in the floor and be stopped by the ground in the crawl space below, if it penetrates that far. As for a rifle or shotgun, it always gets unloaded and cleared before entering the house.
 
If you don't know enough to know if your guns loaded or not, Just maybe you are Not ready for your first gun.
Well, go ahead, then - spread this message to the hundreds, no, thousands, of experienced military and law enforcement officers who've both used clearing barrels and had negligent discharges since the advent of the revolvers and semiauto pistols that fire cased cartridges.

They all must not have been ready for their first gun. Not all of us are special like you.
 
Well, go ahead, then - spread this message to the hundreds, no, thousands, of experienced military and law enforcement officers who've both used clearing barrels and had negligent discharges since the advent of the revolvers and semiauto pistols that fire cased cartridges.

They all must not have been ready for their first gun. Not all of us are special like you.
Come on man. Give me a break. All I said is what I have done for 60 years. And it has worked. Why make such a big deal. Just look and see if there is a round in the gun. It's Easy, Simple and Sure. Common sense- Oh, Wait. Maybe that's your problem.
 
OK, galvanized metal pipe then? Good grief, if the person can't load straight, point straight, pull the trigger straight in a relatively simple SAFETY PROCESS, perhaps then , they shouldn't have a gun:neener:!

Stick to slingshots & spears ! !
 
If you're going to have this sand bucket, you might as well keep a set of ear muffs there, You won't like the results if you set off a round in a closet or small room.

You said WHAT?
 
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