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What am I missing. I was in Walmart last night killing time in the sports department while the wife was getting some thing when I noticed a Marlin XT-17VSL in the case. It's a nice heavy barreled 17 HMR for a very reasonable price. What struck me odd was that there was a large tag hanging from it with a picture of a magazine that said, "with 7 Shot Clip". When the wife found me I asked if she saw anything odd about that rifle, she immediate said "that looks like a mag not a clip". So I looked it up on the Marlin's website and they call it a "clip magazine" there. Is this something new or have I missed something or is the gun industry (or a portion of it) giving in and just calling a magazine a clip now?
 
marlins been taken over by the freedom group hacks who seemingly ruin everything they touch and try to bring the gun community down from within by forcing their crap onto the market.. i dont think marlin would have done this pre takeover but now.. i dont think the people running the show even care
 
The misnomer enforcement oft seems more severe on the internet than in meat space. :rolleyes:
meh
 
I'm not bashing Marlin per si. I bought me daughters both model 795's years back and after mounting 4x had less than 100 bucks each in them. I loved taking them to the range and watch them attract the attention of folks shooting much more expensive rifles. My father-in-law has a 336 he purchased in 1976 and shot 10 rounds through, put in a closet and when I found it it had the finger prints from that day well into the barrel. After cleaning and buying fresh ammo ( the 10 remaining had some sort of hairy stuff growing that I assume was mold). that gun shoots great. He will not sell for anything and back to the closet from whence it came. I was just surprised after so much hype about terms missed used by the anti gun crowd to see that. I've caught myself saying clip rather than magazine and of course when my daughters or wife correct me I get a big :cool: on my face.
And I still want the 17 if Christmas shopping leaves me with room for a little "self" gift.
 
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Damn, I hate language NAZIs!:fire:

Yes, it is technically incorrect to call a magazine a clip. It is also incorrect to call your automobile a "car." (cars run on tracks.) It is incorrect to call your weapon a "gun." (guns have wheels on them.)

Aren't there more important issues out there than dissing people who use an incorrect term when everybody knows darn well what they mean?

When I was a child in the 1950s, everyone, even police and soldiers called magazines "clips."

It didn't become an "issue" until "Goofy Jeffie" started whining about i in the gun rags.:rolleyes:
 
its not being language nazi, its about a gun manufacturer that should know better simply not giving enough of a crap about being correct
 
It is also incorrect to call your automobile a "car." (cars run on tracks.) It is incorrect to call your weapon a "gun." (guns have wheels on them.)
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Me and Merriam-Webster disagree with you on both counts ;)

Both car and gun are nouns that encompass numerous things. You have to use more specific vernacular or modifiers to achieve more specific meanings.

Also, the etymology of "car" predates railroads by many centuries, being an abbreviation of "carriage". In our modern lexicon, the most correct use is referring to an automobile; we refer to those which are non-powered and running on tracks with the "rail" or "train" modifier.

"gun", if you want to be technical about how it is most properly used, applies to naval cannon, including fixed emplacements or batteries, which may or may not use wheels for recoil management. The wheeled variety of gun you tow around would be more specifically called artillery.

More to the point, regardless of etymology, common use is the most significant factor in definitions. It can and does change with time.

Having said that, referring to a magazine as a clip is wrong in both common use and technical definition. "clip" is neither derived from "magazine", nor does it perform a similar function, as a clip in a firearm context is used only to charge a magazine.
 
Dunno why folks get all upset over the clip/magazine deal. My grandfather referred to the clip of his .22 rifle.

That was in 1940. I guess that you could call it "the test of time". :D

Picking fly poop out of pepper is not a remunerative career.
 
Let's have a show of hands. How many people who bristle when someone says, "It's a magazine, not a clip." rant when the news reporter calls it an "assault weapon" or "assault rifle" rather than something like "a semi-automatic rifle"?

Personally, I'll go with the Chinese proverb (sometimes attributed to Confucius): "The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper names."
 
Art Eatman said:
Dunno why folks get all upset over the clip/magazine deal. My grandfather referred to the clip of his .22 rifle.

That was in 1940. I guess that you could call it "the test of time". :D

Picking fly poop out of pepper is not a remunerative career.
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in 1940, most rifles were fed by clips
 
I'd been shooting for ~25 years before anyone told me that the two were not synonymous. . . .
 
justin22885 said:
in 1940, most rifles were fed by clips
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No, because using strict terminology a clip is an ammunition storage device -- not an ammunition feeding device.

Ammunition is rifles (and pistols) is always fed from a magazine. However, often magazines in rifles (and occasionally in pistols, e. g., the Broomhandle Mauser) were charged from a clip.
 
Yes.
And so were the pistols and submachine guns, in the common usage of the day.

What, Frank, you want to make us say "en-bloc clip" for a Garand or Carcano?

The English language evolves - or devolves - and we traditionalists just have to put up with it. But not quietly.

I have heard people go from correction of clip vs magazine straight to loading their ammunition feeding devices with "bullets."

There are a lot of people who think an M1 or an AR has "open sights".

There are a lot of people who think .308" is the "bore diameter" of their rifle.

Both are wrong. I am sure we can come up with more such things regularly seen in print and www.

But clip vs magazine is what passes as firearms expertise on the gunboards.
 
Now Art's post 15. Spats McGee's post 21, and my post 22 help illustrate how sometimes more precise use of terminology is useful.

So we can discuss carrying extra clips for our Glock (or other carry semi-auto of choice), and we'll all understand each other.

But if I want to talk about using a clip to load the magazine of my '98 Mauser, it makes sense only if we understand the more precise uses of clip and magazine.
 
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What, Frank, you want to make us say "en-bloc clip" for a Garand or Carcano?
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Or "stipper clip" to load my Mauser.

We can use language imprecisely to communicate in vague generalities which can be understood (or misunderstood) in various ways, in various contexts, differently by different people.

Or we can use language precisely to perhaps more accurately communicate more complex thoughts in ways better calculated to be more clearly understood.

Language offers the tools to do both. Whether one can do both will depend on his understanding of, and skills with, language.
 
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