I'm loading .223 in a 650 Dillon and using Varget. I'm getting more clippings than I care to see. Anyone else run into this and if so, did you find a solution? Dillon suggests to polish the powder drop funnel. I plan on trying this but I know a lot of you have loaded a lot of these with this powder and machine. Thanks.
Clipping Varget in a 650 Dillon - Ideas?
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What impact on your reloads' accuracy does the clipped powder granules cause? What percent of them are clipped?
I've known a few people who insist on using ball powders so they don't get any clipped tiny balls of powder. But typically at the loss of some accuracy.
Benchrest people have been setting records and winning matches clipping a little bit of extruded powders.
I don't think it's a concern.
I've known a few people who insist on using ball powders so they don't get any clipped tiny balls of powder. But typically at the loss of some accuracy.
Benchrest people have been setting records and winning matches clipping a little bit of extruded powders.
I don't think it's a concern.
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call dillon, they've always been helpful to me
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Cannonman,
For whatever reason I have not had that issue with .223, Varget and the 650. I did polish the funnel and the bottom of the hopper, which helped the bridging I was experiencing.
Now on the other hand, running 4064 through the 650 sounds like I'm grinding whole bean coffee for my morning cup of joe.
For whatever reason I have not had that issue with .223, Varget and the 650. I did polish the funnel and the bottom of the hopper, which helped the bridging I was experiencing.
Now on the other hand, running 4064 through the 650 sounds like I'm grinding whole bean coffee for my morning cup of joe.
Yup. I know what 'cha mean NB! I called Dillon and they say to polish and not to use anything longer. Most of this stuff is for shooting things like milk jugs at all sorts of distances with my Wife and a couple of sporter AR's with red dots. With a target AR sub MOA is easy to hit. It's that the clippings are winding up on the shell plate and making a mess. My variance in fill is +/- 0.03 and that's ok for this application. My case's don't "jump" as Dillon sent me a slightly weaker spring for the shell plate. This really makes a difference for pistol. And anything I make a less of a mess out of seems to make my Wife happier for some reason.
I second this. There are plenty of decent ball powders out there that will run very well through your Dillon drop. H335, CFE 223, are 2 that come to mind and are cheaper and easier to get than Varget.
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I try not to run extruded powders in Dillon measures and have found loads using 748, TAC and xtermanator, with different bullets that work just as well or better than varget and have no clipping issues.
That said most of my manual measures will also clip too but that's not an issue to me. The Lyman #55 is one of the better measures for extruded powders but I have never seen one set up to auto drop.
The RCBS/hornady measures can be used on the 650 but IME they really don't work much, if any, better than the Dillon with extruded powders.
That said most of my manual measures will also clip too but that's not an issue to me. The Lyman #55 is one of the better measures for extruded powders but I have never seen one set up to auto drop.
The RCBS/hornady measures can be used on the 650 but IME they really don't work much, if any, better than the Dillon with extruded powders.
I know that +/-0.03gr sound like... well I was wondering also. My electronic scale only measures to the tenths. So I got out my old four beam mostly because I was wondering why I kept getting the same reading. 24.0gr. I've only loaded about 70 of these .223's but its the first time I've loaded with the large powder bar. Thousands of pistol rounds with never this levels of accuracy. Anyway, I've polished the powder funnel. I'll see how it goes. Thanks for your thoughts.
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My understanding is the resolution on most electronic scales is +/- 0.1g
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Yep, that's why they won't see any difference +\- .03 grains. Same thing for most beam scales too although if you get something more precision that your eye involved they can detect a single kernel of powder.
Like this test I did with an old 10-10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp9M6VI3gM
Like this test I did with an old 10-10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp9M6VI3gM
Yes. The accuracy of my electronic scale is somewhere in the hundredths. Most of the reloading scales read something like 0.0. In order to discern what it actually is is why I used a scale that measures in the ten thousandths. 4 - beam. I don't think it makes a bit of difference. I got to see an electronic scale that was so accurate that the demonstration was to zero the scale with a piece of paper then make a small mark with a pencil. They weighed the pencil mark. Wow! I just thought it interesting. As any of you who have reloaded with a beam scale know, it's a time consuming pain. It's the odd finding that even with clippings I get these really constant measures. I polished the funnel on both ends. I used a Dremel with 0000 steel wool then buffed with rouge. Really really shinny but little difference. Anyway, thank you folks. I always appreciate your thoughts.
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