Cloth stuck in barrel
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jjohnson
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No Blank
Um... NO.
If that cloth is stuck in there so tight it's that much trouble, it WILL generate more pressure than a standard load. Blanks hit the peak of the pressure curve early anyway - so to make more "bang," which is the whole point of a blank round to start with.
I didn't see the caliber mentioned. I know you can blow out a stuck cloth in some cases with just a primer - and I might be willing to try about half a grain of rifle powder in something beefy like an M98 Mauser to blow a rag out - but I certainly wouldn't try a blank.
I'd feel much more comfortable using an air compressor with a rubber tip that could seal against the barrel - that's definitly worth a try.
I'd want to go with the dowel or brass rod after maybe using Kroil or some other penetrating oil to try to loosen things a bit if I couldn't manage to blow it out with compressed air. A blank would be quite a bit more compressed gas than would make for "safe sense."
Um... NO.
If that cloth is stuck in there so tight it's that much trouble, it WILL generate more pressure than a standard load. Blanks hit the peak of the pressure curve early anyway - so to make more "bang," which is the whole point of a blank round to start with.
I didn't see the caliber mentioned. I know you can blow out a stuck cloth in some cases with just a primer - and I might be willing to try about half a grain of rifle powder in something beefy like an M98 Mauser to blow a rag out - but I certainly wouldn't try a blank.
I'd feel much more comfortable using an air compressor with a rubber tip that could seal against the barrel - that's definitly worth a try.I'd want to go with the dowel or brass rod after maybe using Kroil or some other penetrating oil to try to loosen things a bit if I couldn't manage to blow it out with compressed air. A blank would be quite a bit more compressed gas than would make for "safe sense."
What caliber rifle? If large enough you can get a "patch puller" for a muzzleloader If a small caliber look at how one of these is made, and take a bore cleaning brush, one where bristles are held in twisted wire, and cut off and open twist to make a double jag, sharpen ends put on rod and try to screw into stuck cloth then pull out. Just make sure twist direction is oriented so as you try to screw it in it stays screwed into cleaning rod.
Claude Clay
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+1 wooden dowel & mallet ONLY if the breech end of the bbl is open and accessible. rather difficult otherwise.
rcmodel
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I really truly strongly want to discourage you from ever using a wooden dowel rod to attack a problem like this!
You ain't lived until someone brings you bore obstruction into the shop with a splintered & broken dowel rod stuck/wedged in on top of it!
Use only a properly fitted brass or steel rod, or a caliber specific cleaning rod flat-tip jag.
NEVER a wood dowel rod!
rcmodel
You ain't lived until someone brings you bore obstruction into the shop with a splintered & broken dowel rod stuck/wedged in on top of it!
Use only a properly fitted brass or steel rod, or a caliber specific cleaning rod flat-tip jag.
NEVER a wood dowel rod!
rcmodel
Brian Williams
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Do Not use a Wooden Dowel.
627PCFan
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get a brass rod from a hobby store. Do not oil the cloth it will make it swell and tighten up more. Gentle taps.
For Freedom
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Replace the barrel.
Larry E,
I have blown a few patches out of barrells, mind you all of these were with larger rifle cartridges with fairly slow powder, I cannot imagine something with as little mass as a rag with that poor of a seal bulging a barrel. I guess if you were using very fast powder it is possible, but I would do it again without hesitation
Allen
I have blown a few patches out of barrells, mind you all of these were with larger rifle cartridges with fairly slow powder, I cannot imagine something with as little mass as a rag with that poor of a seal bulging a barrel. I guess if you were using very fast powder it is possible, but I would do it again without hesitation
Allen
Cannonball888
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Any pressure on the wad will only increase diameter/friction.
You need to hook the cloth then pull it out by the end to unwad it. An auger made out of a modified coil spring may work.
Same concept as the cannon worm (or a drain snake auger).
You need to hook the cloth then pull it out by the end to unwad it. An auger made out of a modified coil spring may work.
Same concept as the cannon worm (or a drain snake auger).
Ash
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I have found that the auger may or may not work. If he had already tapped on the cloth, it may be too dense to get any purchase with the tip. I have several sizes of auger used in the rayon industry to screw out rayon from gears and the like (get it hot, it will burn quickly). After getting a patch stuck in a Turkish m93 Mauser, I tried them. However, I had already tried to tap the patch out and so by the time I was trying to screw them out, the cloth was just too tightly packed.
The wood dowel will splinter and break, or at least it did so on the Mauser after I read of that advice (this was perhaps ten years ago).
The brass dowel needs to be very wide, virtually as wide as the bore, or it will bend. Again, it did bend in the Mauser.
I finally worked the patch out using rods, but it took a long time and much trial and error. It was a royal pain. Had I though about burning it, I would have out of frustration. That was a $40 rifle and so I was a bit more liberated in my actions. Had it been a very valuable rifle, who knows how aggressive I would have gotten.
Davis
The wood dowel will splinter and break, or at least it did so on the Mauser after I read of that advice (this was perhaps ten years ago).
The brass dowel needs to be very wide, virtually as wide as the bore, or it will bend. Again, it did bend in the Mauser.
I finally worked the patch out using rods, but it took a long time and much trial and error. It was a royal pain. Had I though about burning it, I would have out of frustration. That was a $40 rifle and so I was a bit more liberated in my actions. Had it been a very valuable rifle, who knows how aggressive I would have gotten.
Davis
Change angle of tips of auger so they stick forward more and are more aggressive, then use a pit of pressure when screwing into obstruction.
Another idea, cut head off of large wood screw, thread that shank put into cleaning rod, then screw into obstruction, same as muzzleloader's ball puller.
Auburn1992
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Well I'd like to hear if he got it out or not.
Claude Clay
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..........by now, it may be decorating the dump
or if they haven't come to take him away--he could be at the range
post #9 is in my black powder bag and as it has never failed myself and others to work in less than 5 minutes; it is all that is need. well, along with vice-grips to leverage out what the snake catches and a piece of scrap wood (1/2 x2x6") to protect the muzzle with a 1/2" hole in it to work through.
or if they haven't come to take him away--he could be at the range
post #9 is in my black powder bag and as it has never failed myself and others to work in less than 5 minutes; it is all that is need. well, along with vice-grips to leverage out what the snake catches and a piece of scrap wood (1/2 x2x6") to protect the muzzle with a 1/2" hole in it to work through.
win71
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Maybe somebody could explain to me how a piece of rag that tore off a bigger piece of rag got stuck in the first place.
I've had cleaning rods with patches too large get stuck but I can't understand how a piece of rag tearing off a bigger rag already in the barrel could get wedged so tight it couldn't be pushed out.
Maybe somebody could explain to me how a piece of rag that tore off a bigger piece of rag got stuck in the first place.
I've had cleaning rods with patches too large get stuck but I can't understand how a piece of rag tearing off a bigger rag already in the barrel could get wedged so tight it couldn't be pushed out.
The Bushmaster
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Still trying to get a handle on how one gets a "cloth" stuck in a barrel...
Claude Clay
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it starts out as a 'slight' trouble---but what you do doesn't fix it and actually makes it a bit worse. repeat 2 or 3 more times and you now have a trying your patience, unspeakable problem.
until you have had the pleasure of murphy's company--it is just one of those things you have to live it to understand it.
until you have had the pleasure of murphy's company--it is just one of those things you have to live it to understand it.
innerpiece
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is it really cloth?
try a little bleach, give it a cpl hrs and enuff of the cloth should be dissoved for it to break free..
never tried it, but it sounds a lil less life threatening than some of the previous ideas....
good luck.
ip.
try a little bleach, give it a cpl hrs and enuff of the cloth should be dissoved for it to break free..
never tried it, but it sounds a lil less life threatening than some of the previous ideas....
good luck.
ip.
Ash
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If you are withdrawing the jag and the patch slips off while in the barrel you will end up with a wad of cloth in the barrel.
Ash
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HRT
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Had the same problem yesterday cleaning up from verifying the sights on T/C .50 Hawken. Fiddled with it for a few minutes while flapping gums with friends on the porch. then said the heck with it.... Pulled the nipple went to the barn fired up the air compressor put the air nozzle on it ......thwunp out came the patch.... Patches can and do slip off of jags and with a closed breech they can get to be a problem...compressed air or hydraulic pressure can be a great friend...BTW Sights were fine 5 for 5 in a tomato juice can at 50 yds iron sights and sitting. Certainly MOD (Minute of Deer) for the 30 to 40 yd brush shots I generally get.
I generally loose a patch when I'm being too stingy and cut or tear it too small
I generally loose a patch when I'm being too stingy and cut or tear it too small
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groundhog34
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Got it out by pouring Kroil into the cleaning cloth from both ends letting it set for an hour then hitting a cleaning rod with a rubber mallet.
thanks to all
thanks to all
See Hatcher's Notebook on barrel obstructions.
For the service rifle, they dumped half the powder out of a regular case, stuck it in the chamber with no bullet, and fired stuck patches out.
It was not recommended as general practice in the field because there were a lot of variables, but it worked pretty good for stuck cleaning patches in the testing lab.
There were instances where they tried to duplicate absolute worst case scenarios (many patches, bullets stuck in bore, etc) where the rifle just sat there after the firing pin fell with a click, no bang, no nuthin', and without having blown out the obstruction.
As Hatcher puts it, they had plenty of fun opening the bolt in those instances, with the pressure left in the bore, by gingerly tapping the bolt handle upward with a broom handle. He noted with his characteristic understatement, that the bolts suddenly opened with a loud pop, and also that the cases were ejected "smartly" as the bolt flew back.
IIRC, one case stuck in the wall.
For the service rifle, they dumped half the powder out of a regular case, stuck it in the chamber with no bullet, and fired stuck patches out.
It was not recommended as general practice in the field because there were a lot of variables, but it worked pretty good for stuck cleaning patches in the testing lab.
There were instances where they tried to duplicate absolute worst case scenarios (many patches, bullets stuck in bore, etc) where the rifle just sat there after the firing pin fell with a click, no bang, no nuthin', and without having blown out the obstruction.
As Hatcher puts it, they had plenty of fun opening the bolt in those instances, with the pressure left in the bore, by gingerly tapping the bolt handle upward with a broom handle. He noted with his characteristic understatement, that the bolts suddenly opened with a loud pop, and also that the cases were ejected "smartly" as the bolt flew back.
IIRC, one case stuck in the wall.
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