CNN article--Indian lady immigrant at NRA convention

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There were several telling comments of somebody who genuinely doesn't understand but is also genuinely trying...

Some examples (I bolded the most interesting - to me - parts):

"Gun ownership, he tells me, has its roots in the birth of this country.
'George Washington's army fought off the British with rifles," he says. "They overthrew an oppressive government.'
His statement gives me pause. The gun laws in India stem from colonial rule, when the British aimed to quell their subjects by disarming them. Perhaps my Indian compatriots should consider the right to own guns from this perspective."

"I ask what the Second Amendment means to her.
'It means I can live my life without anyone overpowering me,' she says. 'It makes me equal with everyone else.'
The great equalizer. I never thought of the Second Amendment in that way. Self-protection, I discover, is a huge reason many Americans own firearms.

Other NRA members I speak with also tell me they don't trust the police to arrive in time when they are in danger. Scott Long, 55, lives out in the country in Piketon, Ohio -- 25 miles away from the county sheriff.
'The police can't be there all the time,' he says, looking at his wife, DeeDee, and their three young children, whom he's brought along to the convention for a mini family vacation.

I hear gun proponents express a dislike for big government. They stress individual liberties over the collective. For people who live in more socialist countries, it's another obstacle to understanding American gun culture.

I leave the convention trying to reconcile what I've gathered on this day with the philosophy of nonviolence with which I was raised. I am not certain that vast cultural differences can be bridged in a few hours, but I am glad I got a glimpse into the world of guns. I have much to consider.
 
The reporter seemed slightly surprised that she got coherent, well-reasoned answers to her questions.
 
There is an admittedly very small movement afoot in parts of liberal land to seemingly try to understand why it is that they were so utterly caught off guard by Trump and, particularly, to try to understand why traditionally Democratic demographics defected.

It seems unlikely that this movement will be accepted or acknowledged by the mainstream left given that it evidences a degree of logic.
 
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There is an admittedly very small movement afoot in parts of liberal land to seemingly try to understand why it is that they were so utterly caught off guard by Trump and, particularly, to try to understand why traditionally Democratic demographics defected....
This is one reason that I, and others, keep harping on the importance of us all being good ambassadors for gun ownership and, and through our ways of presenting ourselves to the world and relating to the world, try to dispel the negative stereotypes of gun owners.

...It seems unlikely that this movement will be accepted or acknowledged by the mainstream left given that it evidences a degree of logic.
To some extent this may be true. There will always be people who can not be moved. But the better we can be at dispelling the negative stereotypes of gun owners, increasing numbers of non-gun owners will find it increasingly difficult to dismiss the sorts of positive things the reporter in the article was saying.

We don't have to win over everyone. We have to win over enough. We don't need everyone to be solidly pro-gun. But we'd be a lot better off if more people were at least neutral on the subject and willing to listen carefully and with understanding to our side of the story.
 
There is an admittedly very small movement afoot in parts of liberal land to seemingly try to understand why it is that they were so utterly caught off guard by Trump and, particularly, to try to understand why traditionally Democratic demographics defected.

It seems unlikely that this movement will be accepted or acknowledged by the mainstream left given that it evidences a degree of logic.

I think this last election will be studied closely for may years to come as scholars try to understand what happened and why. Hopefully a great deal of understanding will emerge for both major political parties.

As for the article, I think the Moni Basu did a very good job of asking questions and trying to understand without bringing along the baggage of pre-judgement or stereotyping. She compares and contrasts to her own upbringing and experiences, but never implies that one viewpoint is more correct than the other.
 
There is an admittedly very small movement afoot in parts of liberal land to seemingly try to understand why it is that they were so utterly caught off guard by Trump and, particularly, to try to understand why traditionally Democratic demographics defected.

It seems unlikely that this movement will be accepted or acknowledged by the mainstream left given that it evidences a degree of logic.
Unfortunately, that movement seems intent on making us CHANGE the way we think. As Hillary said, "Religious people are going to have to change the way they think about abortion and gay marriage."
 
In her last line, the writer said "she has much to consider". Prior to that, she made reference to how the Brits passed stringent gun restrictions to keep the Indians from "rising up".

Sounds like she got an earful of info that made her think. That's more than the libs and antis do as they won't even listen.

Good for this lady.
 
There is an admittedly very small movement afoot in parts of liberal land to seemingly try to understand why it is that they were so utterly caught off guard by Trump and, particularly, to try to understand why traditionally Democratic demographics defected.

It seems unlikely that this movement will be accepted or acknowledged by the mainstream left given that it evidences a degree of logic.
Unfortunately, that movement seems intent on making us CHANGE the way we think. As Hillary said, "Religious people are going to have to change the way they think about abortion and gay marriage."
Is learning to accept and tolerate things one might not like or agree with "changing one's thinking"? If so, perhaps that's not unreasonable -- just as we want folks who don't like guns to accept and tolerate our RKBA.

One of the fundamental problems in our modern world seems to be that everyone wants to tell everyone else how to conduct his life. So folks who don't like homosexuality aren't content just not practicing it themselves but also want to insist that others can't practice it either. So folks who hate guns aren't content to just not have guns themselves but want to tell honest, peaceable folks who like guns that they can't have them.

But as P.J. O'Rourke said, "There are just two rules of governance in a free society: Mind your own business. Keep your hands to yourself."

The vast majority of people are not "one issue" voters. Each candidate has a platform -- an assortment of positions on a variety of issues such as gun control, minority rights, welfare, immigration policy, gay rights, women's issues, foreign policy, free trade, etc. To some extent a candidate's platform is defined by the platform of the party with which he's affiliated.

Different voters have different core, or defining, interests. For example, someone might have a very strong interest in minority rights and will favor a candidate whose platform position on minority rights most closely aligns with his own. He will do so even though that candidate's anti-gun position is inconsistent with the voter's [weak] pro-RKBA view.

In many ways, in a number of States especially, the RKBA community has severe "packaging" problems as far as available candidates go. Too often a pro-RKBA candidate's position on various social issues make him an unacceptable choice for some voters who are pro-RKBA but also more liberal on various social issues. I see that a lot here -- where I know some shooters who just can't seem to bring themselves to go along with the one reasonably pro-RKBA candidate because of his positions on other issues.
 
Interesting in the comments the author makes about cultural basis for firearms interest. Focuses a bit on understanding the roots in common history of India and US as British colonies.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/world/indian-immigrant-nra-convention/index.html

I read this last night, and was encouraged to see reporting by someone who's not necessarily pro-gun, but actually listened to and considered honestly the perspective of gun owners.

Someone should have told her to keep her finger off the trigger for the photo though :)
 
She may have reported it but I can't believe her bosses at CNN allowed it to be released. Armoredman summed up my thoughts with "wonder if they've fired her yet?". If CNN released it could it be as part of a lead-up to something else ?
 
"The Indians may have succeeded in ousting the British, but we won with Gandhian-style civil disobedience, not a revolutionary war."

In this sentence the author gets to a central piece of historical truth. While India did expel a weakened British Empire in the post war period there has not been a through going revolution there. A great deal of the old caste society, strengthened by the colonial apparatus, remained after independence and still remains. This has shaped who gets weapons there and who wields power for a very long time.

At the same time there is a rich history of Indian uprisings and revolts against British rule and their own (meaning Indian) exploiters and oppressors. This included during the fight to oust the British.

So two (and more) traditions war.

Ghandi did preach non-violence, Mostly that the oppressed not use violence against their rulers. He was more than willing to call out troops against strikers and others once in power.

Modern India and Indians defy typecasting. Expect nothing but a good conversation and learning something.
 
First thought, looking at that opening photo:

WHOA! Someone should have taught her PDQ about keeping her finger OFF of the trigger. :)


Second thought, after reading the piece:

Excellent article. Every time I begin to think (fear) that true Journalism is extinct, I stumble across (Thanks, GBM! :)) something like this that renews my waning hopes for the Fourth Estate.
 
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There are some things people talked about in this thread that need addressed.

Someone said I can't believe they let it be released....believe it buddy.

I did read the entire article, and while on the face I say yes it is a good article...I know the underlying theme to it all.

Don't kid yourself the left knows why they lost....and it is not because of the Russians. They have gone too far to the left. It always happens....we would never have had Regan if not for Carter. We would not have Trump if not for Obama.

The Left is currently looking at itself and thinking where did we go wrong, they are looking at Sanders and going he really got traction....Socialists can sure sound good, too bad it never works, ask Brazil or or Venezuela....those places are horrid and horrid because of the political client.

The left is trying to look like it is moving to the center, trust me this is all to fool you into thinking they are not what they are....the leopard does not change its spots. This is aimed right at us....and to the people on their base that voted for Trump. Remember mid terms are not far away and they are tilling the field now.
 
This is one reason that I, and others, keep harping on the importance of us all being good ambassadors for gun ownership and, and through our ways of presenting ourselves to the world and relating to the world, try to dispel the negative stereotypes of gun owners.

To some extent this may be true. There will always be people who can not be moved. But the better we can be at dispelling the negative stereotypes of gun owners, increasing numbers of non-gun owners will find it increasingly difficult to dismiss the sorts of positive things the reporter in the article was saying.

We don't have to win over everyone. We have to win over enough. We don't need everyone to be solidly pro-gun. But we'd be a lot better off if more people were at least neutral on the subject and willing to listen carefully and with understanding to our side of the story.

Frank, very well articulated....agree 100%
 
I am no fan of CNN. I may just become a fan of this young lady though. At least she tries to understand from both perspectives. Now, if we could just get other reporters to do the same. I am very proud of her for doing her this article. This is good journalism.
 
armoredman wrote:
I found the article to be a breath of fresh air previously unknown at CNN...wonder if they've fired her yet.

Well, I guess that just shows both sides of the gun issue have a ways to go to let go of their stereotypes and assumptions.

Vern Humphrey wrote:
It's refreshing to see someone actually LISTEN to gun owners and carefully consider what they say.

I married a newspaper editor so I've lived around journalists for three decades now. In my experience, they all "actually listen" to the people they are covering. But, they (like everyone else) process what they hear through a "cognitive filter" that is every day exposed to the criminal side of gun use. Rational, responsible, law-abiding people don't make for interesting news, but a guy who kills his wife because she wouldn't become a prostitute to support the family is tomorrow's headline! Constant exposure to that sort of thing influences a person's perspective which is why we have to be good ambassadors for our position.
 
They stress individual liberties over the collective. For people who live in more socialist countries, it's another obstacle to understanding American gun culture.

I leave the convention trying to reconcile what I've gathered on this day with the philosophy of nonviolence with which I was raised. I am not certain that vast cultural differences can be bridged in a few hours, but I am glad I got a glimpse into the world of guns. I have much to consider.
It's more than just guns but many liberties protected from being taken away and more I appreciate the founding fathers making this country a Constitutional Republic so the will of the majority cannot take away the constitutional rights of the minority.

For those who do not live in Constitutional Republic, this is a foreign concept they may painfully realize they wish they had. Many do not realize "democracy" where the will of majority can dictate to the minority is not always a good thing for the minority.
 
Well, I guess that just shows both sides of the gun issue have a ways to go to let go of their stereotypes and assumptions.



I married a newspaper editor so I've lived around journalists for three decades now. In my experience, they all "actually listen" to the people they are covering. But, they (like everyone else) process what they hear through a "cognitive filter" that is every day exposed to the criminal side of gun use. Rational, responsible, law-abiding people don't make for interesting news, but a guy who kills his wife because she wouldn't become a prostitute to support the family is tomorrow's headline! Constant exposure to that sort of thing influences a person's perspective which is why we have to be good ambassadors for our position.


I agree. Consider what most folks would consider "a good day": no murders, no wars, no accidental deaths or injuries, no crimes committed, no controversial legislation, no new diseases discovered, no floods or tornadoes, no riots anywhere, etc. The news media would go nuts and manufacture some catastrophic story to justify their existence. I don't see evidence that media attention solves problems as much as it perpetuates problems. Expecting news media to pay attention to responsible gun owners doesn't recognize what motivates the media in the first place.
 
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