Why You Should Take An Immigrant Shooting: Ten Reasons

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H088 - I think you missed the point entirely.

To the OP: I think you're right on and it's something I've done myself. I've worked with some very intelligent legal immigrants that have been here on work visas. They've all had a great time when I've taken them shooting.
 
Not at all, I shouldn't need to suck up to anyone for a right provided under the constitution, its absurd.
 
The whole post was about how they are going to control this country in the future so we better make friends with them or else, again absurd.
 
They are going to control this country

That is absurd.

I didnt see anything about them running the country someday. There was a statement about how they might help choose our future leaders. If for whatever reason they do gain the right to vote we certainly want as many of them as we can get on our side. To think that any one of us is going to back down to any body is absurd.
 
Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Illegal aliens are foreign nationals who are here in defiance of our laws.

This thread is about immigrants (and guests who are here legally, too).

If you want to write about illegal aliens for some reason and can suit the topic to this board, then please feel free to start your own thread. :)
 
Either way I shouldn't be needing to impress or "educate" anyone in order to keep a right. They can think what ever they want, it shouldn't be my problem.
 
Some pondering points:

Funny thing about the second, most natural born citizens just figure "we have the right"...

Many people don't truly understand the second, even natural born citizens.

I find that a lot of the people I work with, natural born citizen, actually know very little of the bill of rights.

Its one of those "out of sight, out of mind, I don't have to worry about it..." things...

Now throw in a bunch of fairly intelligent folks who lived under repressive governments that have no second or any other similar rights as those found in the bill of rights.

Now that is some pretty powerful stuff right there, and quite honestly most of the LEGAL immigrants, PhD's, Masters, etcetera are suddenly very interested in those guaranteed rights..
 
I don't think anyone sees what I am saying, I have no obligation to nor should I be required to do be proactive in trying to convince people of anything, it should not be a question, how clear is "shall not be infringed"?

Maybe I will need to take out an immigrant "free speeching", considering they might be voting and all, you never know maybe they will decide political correctness wins out................

Perhaps this a stance taken by an idealist over a realist but in reality its the way it should be, the BOR wasn't designed to be run by mob rule, which has been what this has turned into.
 
HO88, if we in the firearm community, do not get to the immigrants first and tell them the truth about guns and shooting, they will fall victim to the lies put out by the anti-gunners (like Brady and her ilk). do you want that? i think not.
 
I think it shouldn't matter, not only do I have to worry about pandering to fellow Americans now I have to pander to immigrants in order to keep a constitutionally protected right.

Its absurd, its stupid, its completely asinine.............its whats happened to this country.

disgusting
 
Hey, just a few months ago, I was shooting in a match with several VERY nice Russian folks who were in our country for a match...

And if that boy shows up with his daddy again, and is NOT shooting in the match, he's going to be the translator (again...) while I chew his ol' man out...

(about 10 years old, proudly told us that he was a hunter, but was not yet ready for benchrest).
 
H088, it's not about what should be, but what is. Obviously "shall not be infringed" means you shouldn't have to fight for the 2A.

But that's not the way it is. It is a fight and your only choice is to struggle or surrender. "This isn't right!" won't help you when the government tank is about to run you over.
 
I think the OP has an excellent idea.

In my experience, immigrants are more likely to approach learning about firearms, civil rights, and so forth with a more open mind than many native-born Americans. (Mostly, though in my experience you can cross off immigrants from France and Germany as well as the UK, their minds have been set from an early age).

In addition to going shooting with them, I would suggest sharing some edu reading. I work with a (now a US citizen) Arab from the West Bank. He'd shot shotguns and hunted a little in the middle east, but got interested in it over here. I lent him my copy of Florida Firearms Law (Gutmacher) after he saw it and asked to borrow it. Loaning him that book made a 2nd Amendment advocate of him - he was indignant about what the .gov has done with our 2nd Amendment rights after reading the Constitution and some legal analysis. That book did a lot of good with him. For those who aren't familiar with it, this book is intended mostly for the reference of Florida gunowners, and is written by a lawyer and NRA instructor. In part it explains some shoot/don't shoot situations and how to stay within the law on owning and perhaps using firearms in defense. In my immigrant friend's case, it opened his eyes when he saw how careful a lawful gun owner must be in self-defense situations. He told me that until he read that book, he thought self-defense law worked the way it's shown on tv shows.
 
I have seven house mates from different countries. They all want to go, so I take one a weekend to the NRA range off 66.
 
@H088,

I'm not sure how, for you, a point about being a good citizen on one of the differentiating rights of the US has become "pandering".

The original poster was sharing what s/he believes are some good reasons to pass on something that is important to them and I assume you.

This is not pandering, it is providing an opportunity to another to understand a right that for many is misunderstood, feared or outright hated. This is about sharing and education.

No one is asking you to get up and do anything, although sloth like that is what ensures the erosion of all rights.

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
 
H088 said:
I think it shouldn't matter, not only do I have to worry about pandering to fellow Americans now I have to pander to immigrants in order to keep a constitutionally protected right.

Its absurd, its stupid, its completely asinine.............its whats happened to this country.

disgusting

You sound like a racist to me. I am just as fed up with the illegal alien problem in this country (though they are still human beings trying to make a better life). However don't demean those that have gone through the painstaking process to properly become citizens of this great country by generalizing that they are somehow no better than those coming to this country illegally. There's a big difference between the two.

In case no one has realized yet, the law and the constitution mean absolutely jack sh*t these days. Let me put things in perspective in case anyone here has yet to fully understand it. We are talking about a 27 word SINGLE sentence (the 2nd amendment that is). In point and fact, in all logic, the godd@mn thing is as straightforward as it gets, unless someone has a problem with it, then they need to decipher the "real" meaning behind it. Here's a hint, that's called deconstructionism, and it is the sign of the end of all logic. Does everyone not realize, we have been fighting these motherf*ckers (pardon the language, I'm losing my patience with this fight) over ONE SINGLE SENTENCE for the better part of the last half century?! That's madness! There can be no dispute over what it means, it clearly states "....the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It cannot possibly be any more clear than that. All courts, the Supreme Court, etc should forever side with us by default. The mere fact that there is an argument should be alarm enough for all of us. In realizing this, you have to realize, the people fighting us, the true leaders of the anti gun camp, they care absolutely nothing about the law, the constitution, etc. They will do everything in their power to destroy it and what America once stood for. This is precisely why we must remain ever vigilant, lest we become yet another footnote of another society destroyed by socialism, fascism, communism.....whatever the hell 'ism through genocide and the destruction of personal freedom.

That is precisely why sitting back, secure in the knowledge that a piece of paper "guarantees" your freedom, is just simply NOT ENOUGH. Our forefathers shed their blood and sweat to pay for it. Being a slightly more civilized society, the least we can do is shed our sweat, time, and effort for protecting those rights. Mark my words, if we let things progress to the point we lose those rights, it will no longer be just our sweat, time and effort we shed for those rights, but they would likely have to be paid for in blood again. Not a pretty thought, as after all we are supposed to be a more civilized society. Hence the reason we should avoid having to go down that route by taking the proactive approach to keep from reaching that point.

Forget sitting back and not educating people on rights. Thank God our founding fathers never subscribed to that mentality. It's our duty as Americans to always be knowledgeable about, protective of those rights, and proactive against those trying to take them. THAT IS AMERICA. Plenty of countries have been destroyed, genocides waged, and well over a hundred million "citizens" of various countries slaughtered over the last century because of a lack of proactivity. Does anyone seriously think that the pure and unadulterated evil of individuals out there scheming to subvert human rights is somehow just going to stop because of a 200yr old piece of paper? This fight has been going on for hundreds of and I guess thousands of years and will still be going on hundreds of years after all of us have passed on unfortunately.

To not be completely OT, I would gladly act as an ambassador of our 2nd amendment rights for any immigrants I happen to meet. The ones I have met and known have all been very nice people. I really don't think about the whole immigrant status, I just think of them as people. The more nice people we can bring into the firearms world, the better, regardless of where they come from.
 
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The simple fact HO88, is that the 2nd amendment is not a bulletproof, magical shroud that can be counted on for all time to protect Americans rights. Other proactive measures, that just so happen to be kind and a heck of a lot of fun, may also help protect American's rights as the political climate changes.
 
A few years ago, in a different job, I had a chance to host a range day for some business associates from Singapore. Although Singapore has mandatory military service for all male citzens, outside of their military service possesion of any kind of firearm or even ammunition will get you a death sentence. They were amazed that I could own multiple firearms. We went to the range with my 10/22, Win. 94 30-30, Bushie AR, Win. Mod 70, High Standard .22 target pistol, and Ruger Security Six.

I found it slightly amusing that with every gun they asked me if you could kill a bear with it. :) Because of their military service they knew exactly what to do with the AR 15, but were more fascinated with my Mod 70 30-06 "sniper rifle" as they termed it. By the end of the range session they had grins so wide that I thought the top of their heads might just fall off! ;)

Let Freedom Ring!!!
 
I think it shouldn't matter, not only do I have to worry about pandering to fellow Americans now I have to pander to immigrants in order to keep a constitutionally protected right.

Its absurd, its stupid, its completely asinine.............its whats happened to this country.

disgusting
No, you are disgusting. Unless you are a native American Indian, you are an immigrant. Some folks ancestors have just been here longer than others.

My father was Italion. He fought in WWII (Army Air Corp), Korea, and Nam. (Air Force) He retired a full bird Colonel. He was always proud to be an American, as are most immigrants. I am proud to be the grandson of Italion imigrants who loved this country.
 
About 2 years ago at my last job, I bought an AK from someone at work. There was a group of us that hit the range every payday and we were discussing my new AK and one of our Kurdish friends overheard us and was asking about how we could own military weapons here. We briefly explained to him the legalities and asked him if he wanted to go out shooting with us. Sport shooting was apparently something foreign to him. :) He asked to bring along some friends and we told him sure, bring some. He brought a total of 5 Kurds, 3 Cubans, an Egyptian, and a guy from somewhere near Russia. Knowing we were going to have company, we all brought most of our guns with us and plenty of ammo. You should have seen the chins hit the deck when they saw the firepower before them. After a little safety briefing and basic instructions, they were told to shoot whatever they wanted and we just stood by to help them shoot. The feeling you get is kind of like the first time you take one of your kids out and they explode a melon. You can't put a price on that, and it's the right thing to do.
 
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