(CO) Parents protest military statue
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Dr. Dickie
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Yeah, sure would not want the parents to take the opportunity to explain to their children that freedom comes with a price, a price that others have paid. We would not want to traumatize the children by having them understand the sacrifices others have made for them. We don't want the children to feel an obligation to protect and up-hold the values and freedom that was bought by a man and a rifle.
After all, it is SCHOOL. What would learning something important about the country they live in have to do with SCHOOL.
After all, it is SCHOOL. What would learning something important about the country they live in have to do with SCHOOL.
auschip
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I wonder how she feels about this one.
Cesiumsponge
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Maybe we can give them a statue of Lenin instead and build a giant wall around Littleton so they can remain happy in their little bizzare world.
I agree with TexasRifleman. These folks are taking a hands-off approach to raising their kids. Rather than teach them firearms safety (even if it is from a liberal point of view, it is better to TEACH them than to pretend firearms don't exist) they are relying on nanny-state politics to raise their children for them.
cambeul41
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Auschip
This is exactly the image that flashed into my mind. Thank you.
This is exactly the image that flashed into my mind. Thank you.
for_hire
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I do not usually post on these type's of threads but I will on this one...
This really bothers me for many reasons.
The first is that parents today really get on my nerves. I'm only 20 years old but my parents would have built the statue in my front yard! I wish more parents would teach thier children about respect, national pride, loyalty and honor. Instead the parents send the kid to thier room to play their Playstation, X-Box, or computer.
The second is I have many friends that joined the military right out of high school and have served this country. It upsets me to think that some anti-gun people would use this statue to make their stand! Where is the honor?
It is a growing trend in this country to treat our soldiers badly upon their return. I worked at a hospital and NOT one but two of the guys I worked with returned from thier first tour in Iraq and do you know how our managers repaid their sacrifice?
They demoted them and the changed thier schedule and also took away their full-time status..The reason I bring this up is becuase its a growing trend to treat our soldiers like a worthless second class citizen which they are not!
This really bothers me for many reasons.
The first is that parents today really get on my nerves. I'm only 20 years old but my parents would have built the statue in my front yard! I wish more parents would teach thier children about respect, national pride, loyalty and honor. Instead the parents send the kid to thier room to play their Playstation, X-Box, or computer.
The second is I have many friends that joined the military right out of high school and have served this country. It upsets me to think that some anti-gun people would use this statue to make their stand! Where is the honor?
It is a growing trend in this country to treat our soldiers badly upon their return. I worked at a hospital and NOT one but two of the guys I worked with returned from thier first tour in Iraq and do you know how our managers repaid their sacrifice?
They demoted them and the changed thier schedule and also took away their full-time status..The reason I bring this up is becuase its a growing trend to treat our soldiers like a worthless second class citizen which they are not!
Angry Veteran
Colorado used to be a state of strength and honor. Now we have the bleeding hearts that whine and cry and all the children get a trophy wheather or not they win or loose. I fight this battle every day with the lefties in my office. I am a veteran and proud of that. But the response is the same whine and cry and disrespect
towards the vets. My coment to all those who whine is to SERVE YOUR COUNTRY be it civil or military... but serve. Grow A Pair .
Sorry about the rant...And to those who have served...WELCOME HOME!
Colorado used to be a state of strength and honor. Now we have the bleeding hearts that whine and cry and all the children get a trophy wheather or not they win or loose. I fight this battle every day with the lefties in my office. I am a veteran and proud of that. But the response is the same whine and cry and disrespect
towards the vets. My coment to all those who whine is to SERVE YOUR COUNTRY be it civil or military... but serve. Grow A Pair .Sorry about the rant...And to those who have served...WELCOME HOME!
General Geoff
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Absolutely correctamundo.
Shielding children from even semblances of the tools of violence does not, nor will it ever, reduce or eliminate violence. Violence is human nature, be it hunting for food, or killing your fellow man who is trying to kill you.
Frankly, I find it disgusting that the parents don't want their children exposed to a bronze replica of a Real American Hero (GI Joe!!).
Libertylover
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Perhaps that trend would change if our government would, oh, say, follow the advice of the founders and not wander aimlessly into foreign wars that have squat to do with freedom at home (except, maybe, to curtail it)?
I see ZERO connection between a statue of a SEAL in Afghanistan and Captain Parker in Lexington. Captain Parker was there for his own freedom and that of his countrymen. That, to me, is the ultimate just cause.
Why are we still in Afghanistan? Why were we attacked in the first place??? Here's a hint: It's NOT because they hate our freedom. Some cultures really DON'T appreciate foreigners dictating to them what they should do in their own countries.
This country needs to return the focus inward and work out some internal issues, and stop playing World Policeman and Empire with the blood of our countrymen.
ChestyP
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Two points:
First, Harris or Klebold, I don't recall which... his father was retired military, so it's not quite "parents like those of Harris & Klebold..."
Second, these people can't differentiate between righteous violence and criminal violence. To them all violence is verboten. And there's no talking with them. A police officer, or a private citizen, shooting a rapist is committing an act of violence. Most of us accept that as an act of righteous violence. But a few who live in a fantasyland of their own don't.
Unfortunately, it's those people who paint ALL of us with the same brush.
First, Harris or Klebold, I don't recall which... his father was retired military, so it's not quite "parents like those of Harris & Klebold..."
Second, these people can't differentiate between righteous violence and criminal violence. To them all violence is verboten. And there's no talking with them. A police officer, or a private citizen, shooting a rapist is committing an act of violence. Most of us accept that as an act of righteous violence. But a few who live in a fantasyland of their own don't.
Unfortunately, it's those people who paint ALL of us with the same brush.
average_shooter
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I disagree, slightly. Violence for their cause is just in their own minds. Just look at the extremist animal rights groups.
The difference I see is that these people think that guns are bad, but throwing rocks and beating people with sticks doesn't really count as violence, unless it happens against them.
Guns are bad, so they use rocks, clubs, molotov cocktails, etc...
Ratzinger_p38
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@average_shooter
Very true. Just look how the libs act about Kissinger's supposed support for Pinochet (the way they talk, kissinger pulled the puppet strings) - but yet those like Mao and Ho Chi Minhn are 'great revolutionaries'.
Very true. Just look how the libs act about Kissinger's supposed support for Pinochet (the way they talk, kissinger pulled the puppet strings) - but yet those like Mao and Ho Chi Minhn are 'great revolutionaries'.
WeThePeople
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Those people are equating a Navy Seal who died in combat to two psychopaths who shot innocent victims. There is no way in the world that they truly believe that the two are the same. I don't know how they can sleep at night.
What in the world is going on? My grandfather used to carry his .22 to school, legally, to go shooting with his friends after classes. They weren't shooting other kids. I've read about people on this forum having done the same thing.
It completely frustrates me that most Americans fail to recognize that exposure to firearm does not equal violent people. In fact, I truly believe that exposure to firearms does quite the opposite. In my experience, a person who has fired a firearm is much more likely to be quite safe with it because they understand its potential lethality.
I respect the Constitutional Right of people to voice their opinions. They just have to realize that the right of people to erect a statue is protected by the same Constitutional Amendment.
What in the world is going on? My grandfather used to carry his .22 to school, legally, to go shooting with his friends after classes. They weren't shooting other kids. I've read about people on this forum having done the same thing.
It completely frustrates me that most Americans fail to recognize that exposure to firearm does not equal violent people. In fact, I truly believe that exposure to firearms does quite the opposite. In my experience, a person who has fired a firearm is much more likely to be quite safe with it because they understand its potential lethality.
I respect the Constitutional Right of people to voice their opinions. They just have to realize that the right of people to erect a statue is protected by the same Constitutional Amendment.
average_shooter
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Again, I'm going to disagree a little here.
These are people who believe that if you own a firearm or enjoy shooting activities you do have a mental disorder. They are also the people who say if you want to "play" with "assault weapons" you should join the military.
Thus, they are saying they want the military to be full of people they consider to be psychopathic. Also, in the same vein, they may consider anyone currently serving to have such a disorder.
The way I see it, part of the problem we're having is due to the fact that many of these people really do believe this stuff.
. Then they will be running up saying " Please Help Me" soldier man! Hard to take the High Road on this one....
Deanimator
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These ninnies remind me of the girl in the Addams Family movie who during some macbre game, cheerfully pipes up, "I'll be the victim!" Wednesday Addams sardonically replies, You'll always be the victim..."
CannibalCrowley
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for_hire said:
If you're truly upset for the reasons you claim, then you should be equally upset over the pro-gun people who are using this statue to make a stand as well.
wingman said:
How do you know this to be true seeing as how it's been over 50 yeas since we've fought a war to protect the country?
Very easy we now have a society that is lazy, overweight, selfish and calls 911 to light their furnace. I understand not all but it is enough for me to believe that without a draft we could not put together a force such as in ww2, large numbers of people think military service is beneath them, some on this board say they would go if the country is attacked but in truth we are in trouble as a country in finding people willing to do the tough dirty work. My opinion of the changes I have been witness too in the past 60+ years.
Titan6
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I have been staying out of this a little but a couple of things have whizzed by that annoy me;
Well actually.... they do.
- Relgious freedom = death.
- Freedom of speech = death
- Sexual immorality (argubaly a big freedom in our country) = death
- And so on and so on.
So yes the Taliban hate our freedom and entire culture even though we helped them drive the soviets out (if that is the meddling you are talking about).
Lazy, overweight, selfish - all true. But service is not beneath them. They are also afraid. And the parents are even bigger cowards than they are.
If that happened they need to contact the VA and their unit. That is against the law.
Well actually.... they do.
- Relgious freedom = death.
- Freedom of speech = death
- Sexual immorality (argubaly a big freedom in our country) = death
- And so on and so on.
So yes the Taliban hate our freedom and entire culture even though we helped them drive the soviets out (if that is the meddling you are talking about).
Lazy, overweight, selfish - all true. But service is not beneath them. They are also afraid. And the parents are even bigger cowards than they are.
If that happened they need to contact the VA and their unit. That is against the law.
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