limbaughfan
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I heard Neal Boortz talking about this today.
(CO) Parents protest military statue
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Hmmmm....
From http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4963718,00.html
Seems like a guy that would have willingly risked or given his life in a effort to save the victims at Columbine had he been present.
migoi
From http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4963718,00.html
Seems like a guy that would have willingly risked or given his life in a effort to save the victims at Columbine had he been present.
migoi
That is the Minuteman statue in Lexington, Massachusetts. There is a similar one in Concord, MA which was sculpted by Daniel Chester French. Both commemorate the actions of April 19, 1775, when American patriots resisted the British troops who had marched upon the towns to seize their firearms. A story everyone should know - because it could happen again.
Here's the Concord statue.
Several Massachusetts schools which have these statues as part of their school logos have been pressured to change them, of course.
Titan6
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Changing them hopefully to a Navy seal toting an MP5? We got to get modernized and all.....
average_shooter
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More appropriate would be to change them to an "average citizen" with a full-auto MP5.
TexasRifleman
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What in the world does that have to do with anything, whether one of those goofballs kids parents were in the military.
The point is they were crappy parents that did not pay attention to what their kids were doing, were not involved enough in their kids lives or that day would never have happened.
These parents are the same. Not paying attention to what is good for their kids, not being involved in their childrens lives.
They are using the "it's for the children" crap as cover for their politics and bad parenting.
While they are out protesting a statue of a Soldier because he's carrying a gun their children are at home doing things their parents don't know about, just like the parents of those 2 murderers.
.kcmarine
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O'rly? So you believe that we should have kept the Taliban in power? A regime that supported terrorists that killed nearly 3,000 of your fellow countrymen on 9/11/01? A regime that brutalized those who didn't follow their religion and passed laws against squeaky shoes and flying kites? A regime that reduced woman to a level lower than that of a dog? What if that were your mother, sister, daughter, niece, or wife underneath that burkah, sir?
We did nothing to make the Taliban hate us. They don't like the idea of a secular government that allows its citizens to disobey the word of Allah. Our government system allows people to choose their own destiny. We didn't put our government on them until their government tried put themselves on us. Really, if you look at it, the 9/11 attacks are an attempt at what the Arabs often protest us for: an attempt to force their way of life on us. They won't be happy until Islamic Shira law is the law of the land across the world. They won't be satisfied until you believe in the same god they do. They won't be content until every infidel is murdered brutally.
They may not hate our freedoms specifically, as you argue. But everything they do runs counter- current to the rights guaranteed in this country.
God bless this fallen warrior and his family.
Good day to you, sir.
Robert Hairless
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Understandable, really. Someone else fights for them, someone else protects them, someone else is to blame when things go wrong for them.
They don't want to glorify the someone else who keeps them alive.
Trivial people, they live trivial lives and teach their children to do the same.
Someone else mentioned the draft. It was a mistake to do away with it. People who don't have a stake in the game and refuse to play don't care who wins or loses and should not profit from it.
They don't want to glorify the someone else who keeps them alive.
Trivial people, they live trivial lives and teach their children to do the same.
Someone else mentioned the draft. It was a mistake to do away with it. People who don't have a stake in the game and refuse to play don't care who wins or loses and should not profit from it.
Elza
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+1!!
Robert Hairless
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Liberty Lover:
I was inclined to let it pass without comment but I found myself becoming embarrassed by taking the easy way out.
What you say is deeply offensive to me because you make no distinctions among the soldier doing his duty, the nation for which he risks his life, and the policies with which you disagree.
You most certainly have the right to any opinion about those policies. Our is a world in which everyone is expected to have an opinion about everything, nobody is required to know anything in order to have an opinion, everyone with an opinion is expected to express it, and all opinions deserve equal respect. The only standards for measuring the worth of opinions in this world are the depths of feeling behind the opinion, the passion and conviction with which it is expressed, and the immediate popularity it achieves. Expertise, competence, thought, judgment, and decency are scorned.
By our current standards, therefore, your opinion on foreign affairs must be of great interest because you feel it deeply and say it passionately. Your passionate opinion makes you well qualified not only to judge and to comment on this nation's involvement in Afghanistan but also to direct its policies throughout the world. In an American Idol and Deal or No Deal culture it is pointless to attempt to argue with such behavior.
But it is blatantly offensive when that behavior intrudes on discussions of the respect due and owing to the men and women who serve this country. They are us, except that they are the very best of us. They are bold and willing or resigned to the possibility that their lives might be crippled or end abruptly. Whatever other motives any of them might have, they put their lives on the line to serve their country--to serve you, making it possible for you to live even if they should die in the process.
I simply cannot conceive of the ingratitude and selfishness so monumental as to intrude policy quarrels into discussions about the people--the us--we should honor. If you do indeed love liberty, respect the people without whom it would be impossible here.
Since the depth of one's passions are somehow relevant to the worth of one's opinions in this world, I assure you--and anyone else who might object to what I've said--that none of you can possibly feel any more strongly or deeply about this matter than I do.
I was inclined to let it pass without comment but I found myself becoming embarrassed by taking the easy way out.
What you say is deeply offensive to me because you make no distinctions among the soldier doing his duty, the nation for which he risks his life, and the policies with which you disagree.
You most certainly have the right to any opinion about those policies. Our is a world in which everyone is expected to have an opinion about everything, nobody is required to know anything in order to have an opinion, everyone with an opinion is expected to express it, and all opinions deserve equal respect. The only standards for measuring the worth of opinions in this world are the depths of feeling behind the opinion, the passion and conviction with which it is expressed, and the immediate popularity it achieves. Expertise, competence, thought, judgment, and decency are scorned.
By our current standards, therefore, your opinion on foreign affairs must be of great interest because you feel it deeply and say it passionately. Your passionate opinion makes you well qualified not only to judge and to comment on this nation's involvement in Afghanistan but also to direct its policies throughout the world. In an American Idol and Deal or No Deal culture it is pointless to attempt to argue with such behavior.
But it is blatantly offensive when that behavior intrudes on discussions of the respect due and owing to the men and women who serve this country. They are us, except that they are the very best of us. They are bold and willing or resigned to the possibility that their lives might be crippled or end abruptly. Whatever other motives any of them might have, they put their lives on the line to serve their country--to serve you, making it possible for you to live even if they should die in the process.
I simply cannot conceive of the ingratitude and selfishness so monumental as to intrude policy quarrels into discussions about the people--the us--we should honor. If you do indeed love liberty, respect the people without whom it would be impossible here.
Since the depth of one's passions are somehow relevant to the worth of one's opinions in this world, I assure you--and anyone else who might object to what I've said--that none of you can possibly feel any more strongly or deeply about this matter than I do.
some people have forgotten that freedom isn't free.
I found out my own parents were amongst them tonight. When I reminded them of that, they had to think for a moment, and then didn't really have anything to say.
I see nothing wrong with the statue. I hope the vets win in this case.
I found out my own parents were amongst them tonight. When I reminded them of that, they had to think for a moment, and then didn't really have anything to say.
I see nothing wrong with the statue. I hope the vets win in this case.
CannibalCrowley
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Robert Hairless said:
First off, Dietz is not one of those people. Unless he also fought in WWII, he in no way made our liberty possible so quit pretending that he did.
Secondly, the people in his town do want his memory honored; but they want it done either with a different statue or in a different park. It's their town and the public displays of the town are up to them. If you don't like it, then don't move there.
Robert Hairless said:
I don't know who fed you that line; but he was obviously shoveling a pretty hefty load. Spend some time in the military and you'll quickly learn that the people there are often far from being the best of society. You do both the military and the civilians a disservice by continuing to perpetrate such falsehoods.
Robert Hairless said:
Where did you get the idea that the draft was "done away with"? Wherever it was, you are clearly misinformed. Selective service still registers people and if we're ever at war and need the bodies then I'm sure we'll use that resource.
TexasRifleman
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Oh Dear God. You went to Publik Skool didn't you?
You might steer clear of any vet that served after 1945, cause you got an a&& whipping coming, and a well deserved one I'll add on a personal note, High Road in this case going to have to take a back seat to probably THE most offensive post I've ever seen here.
ilcylic
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CannibalCrowley: +1
I'm not surprised you guys are experiencing the same thing now. Bravery and sacrificing one's self for their country/greater good is out. Sending all of your money/guns to the government and cowering in fear is in.
Ratzinger>Anyone here remember when Canada proposed to build a statue dedicated to Vietnam draft dodgers?
We all know it's too late for Canada, the majority of people are brainwashed to such an extent that they don't mind when kids urinate on military memorials, when the government uses tax-payer money to fund art depicting past soldiers as sexual-disease spreaders; and view the people injured/killed in wars as suckers who got what they deserved. I was ashamed at all the cheering I heard outside my clients office when the twin towers fell. A dead American is a good thing in so many peoples eyes here.
The common theme way back in my school days was the U.S.S.R. was the greatest country in the world, any non-liberal deserves to die, and the military is made up of idiots bowing to evil U.S. dictatorship policy. I assume in the past 20 years it's gotten much worse. Years back there was even a protest because welfare bums were complaining they had to go pick up their check; they wanted it express mailed to them on the taxpayers back. Now hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are funnelled to buy houses for refugees so they can play the lottery/get cushy phantom government jobs to bolster minority hiring statistics, while working families struggle to pay rent in small apartments.
Our system is ass-backwards and in a free-fall. At least Hillary will get you guys back on track...
Ratzinger>Anyone here remember when Canada proposed to build a statue dedicated to Vietnam draft dodgers?
We all know it's too late for Canada, the majority of people are brainwashed to such an extent that they don't mind when kids urinate on military memorials, when the government uses tax-payer money to fund art depicting past soldiers as sexual-disease spreaders; and view the people injured/killed in wars as suckers who got what they deserved. I was ashamed at all the cheering I heard outside my clients office when the twin towers fell. A dead American is a good thing in so many peoples eyes here.
The common theme way back in my school days was the U.S.S.R. was the greatest country in the world, any non-liberal deserves to die, and the military is made up of idiots bowing to evil U.S. dictatorship policy. I assume in the past 20 years it's gotten much worse. Years back there was even a protest because welfare bums were complaining they had to go pick up their check; they wanted it express mailed to them on the taxpayers back. Now hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are funnelled to buy houses for refugees so they can play the lottery/get cushy phantom government jobs to bolster minority hiring statistics, while working families struggle to pay rent in small apartments.
Our system is ass-backwards and in a free-fall. At least Hillary will get you guys back on track...
GeezerwithGuns
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I've lived in Littleton for over 22 years......
Does this kind of behavior make me extremely upset? Yes. Are these people entitled to their mis-guided opinions? Yes. Are they a small, but vocal minority in our community? Emphatically, yes again.
My family lives less than a mile from Columbine High School and we experienced what happened there on a very, very personal level and no one better attempt to equate to me the display of a statue honoring a fallen hero with the Columbine tragedy.
I firmly believe that a majority of people living in Jefferson County support our military, the RKBA and the 2nd ammendment.
Please do not judge the rest of us who live in the community by this sad example of so-called "concern" for our children.
Does this kind of behavior make me extremely upset? Yes. Are these people entitled to their mis-guided opinions? Yes. Are they a small, but vocal minority in our community? Emphatically, yes again.
My family lives less than a mile from Columbine High School and we experienced what happened there on a very, very personal level and no one better attempt to equate to me the display of a statue honoring a fallen hero with the Columbine tragedy.
I firmly believe that a majority of people living in Jefferson County support our military, the RKBA and the 2nd ammendment.
Please do not judge the rest of us who live in the community by this sad example of so-called "concern" for our children.
A response from a Littleton city councilman.
This is truly a controversy that exists only in the media. There are only 2 people (that I am aware of) in the city that are concerned about the statue location. Both of them came to the city council to protest the location and/or gun that is part of the statue - but only one spoke. No one else in the city has spoken to any council person that I am aware of. We have not received any emails, or phone calls, or had any conversations from/with any Littleton citizens in favor of moving the statue. The council has never had a discussion about moving the statue.
While this is a perfect combination of issues for the media - Columbine, guns and the war - it is not an issue with the citizens of Littleton.
Thanks
Doug Clark
Councilman
This is truly a controversy that exists only in the media. There are only 2 people (that I am aware of) in the city that are concerned about the statue location. Both of them came to the city council to protest the location and/or gun that is part of the statue - but only one spoke. No one else in the city has spoken to any council person that I am aware of. We have not received any emails, or phone calls, or had any conversations from/with any Littleton citizens in favor of moving the statue. The council has never had a discussion about moving the statue.
While this is a perfect combination of issues for the media - Columbine, guns and the war - it is not an issue with the citizens of Littleton.
Thanks
Doug Clark
Councilman
Elza
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Advance apologies to all for my departure from the High Road on this issue.
I served during the Viet Nam conflict. I enlisted with a draft number of 341. I am just as much a part of this country’s freedom and heritage as any other who has served in the military. And you, along with your skewed and despicable view point, can go straight to hell!
If by some bizarre chance you actually served in our military, your “service” would certainly lend credence to this statement.
Read your own statement, genius. Registering for selective is just that: registration. There hasn’t been a draft in this country for over 30 years.
What's next; tear down the Viet Nam war memorial?
The only thing we got after coming home, except being pooped on.
And all the cannons, dying soldiers, muskets et al in all the Civil War memorials throughout the country? (Oooops, I meant the War of Northern Aggression.)
Yes, this family has the legal (if not moral) right to protest the statue and/or its location. A right is a right is a right.
I believe a previous poster has it nailed. This is really about anti-gun behavior, not at all about the statue. If it weren't for the rifle, they'd not be protesting.
If it weren't for the rifle, the SEAL wouldn't have been able to fight off the attackers long enough for his fellow warrior to escape. No Navy Cross for flower-carrying SEALs.
Ain't it strange that the ones who protest war and its accoutrements have never been in the military, but have languished safely at home while brave warriors have fought and died for their right to protest? BLATHER!!
Don't let me get too worked up over this.
ElZorro
The only thing we got after coming home, except being pooped on.
And all the cannons, dying soldiers, muskets et al in all the Civil War memorials throughout the country? (Oooops, I meant the War of Northern Aggression.)
Yes, this family has the legal (if not moral) right to protest the statue and/or its location. A right is a right is a right.
I believe a previous poster has it nailed. This is really about anti-gun behavior, not at all about the statue. If it weren't for the rifle, they'd not be protesting.
If it weren't for the rifle, the SEAL wouldn't have been able to fight off the attackers long enough for his fellow warrior to escape. No Navy Cross for flower-carrying SEALs.
Ain't it strange that the ones who protest war and its accoutrements have never been in the military, but have languished safely at home while brave warriors have fought and died for their right to protest? BLATHER!!
Don't let me get too worked up over this.
ElZorro
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