Co worker pulled over with gun in car- no CCW.

[The Real Hawkeye]

I keep hearing mention of the notion that he is likely to "lose his RTKABA." He cannot lose that right. Who would take it away from him? The Government? Impossible, as the government was not the source of his right to keep and bear arms to start with. The only thing government can do is to stop recognizing his RTKABA, in essence declare war on his personal liberties, making him a second class citizen (a sort of serf-status or slave, really) in the Republic. His rights, however, remain exactly as they were when he first appeared on the planet. We are endowed by our Creator (NOT GOVERNMENT) with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, having a right to something, means having the right to defend it. Having a right to life, for instance, mean that we have the right to defend our life, and to the effective means thereto, i.e., the latest in personal arms, otherwise we cannot actually say that we have a right to life. It is precisely to secure this right to personal arms (among other rights) that governments are instituted among men to start with. That's government's only real function. If it fails in that function, it has become destructive to its own ends, and the word for that is tyranny. In which case it becomes the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government. So, when government seeks to deny a human being at liberty an inalienable right (i.e., a right permanently attached to his being a human being at liberty), it actually loses its own legitimacy as a government.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Hawkeye, I hear you on that.

But how many will spend jail time over it? Not many I'm bettin'.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Hawkeye, I hear you on that.

But how many will spend jail time over it? Not many I'm bettin'.

Ben, if you've done nothing wrong, i.e., nothing which is not within your rights to do, then why would you submit to being enslaved in prison, followed by being forced into a permanently inferior status as a serf? Isn't your liberty worth fighting and dying for, if necessary? What would the men say who gave their lives for that cause during the War For Independence?

Actually, I understand what you are saying, i.e., most do not actually value liberty above life, which is why it is so easy for a people to be transformed into slaves, either chattel slaves or slaves of tyrannical government. It is an unfortunate reality. The principle still stands, however. Men have shown the courage to choose liberty over life in the past, and to the extent that a people make them their models, liberty will survive in America. The converse, unfortunately, is also true.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

Hawkeye, check your PMs.

 

[gunsmith]

Ben

Maybe show this thread to your friend so he knows people out there are rotting for him.
ooooooopppppssssss
rooting!

 

[Ben Shepherd]

He knows about this thread, I asked his permission to post it.