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Colorado was formerly an independent type of state that held its distance from federal involvement but with the advent of the "Gang of Four", the four multimillionaires that fund Democrat activities in Colorado, we have swerved hard left towards nanny state policies.
 
...to pay for your background check, I think that if signed into law, it will be nullified as unconstitutional.
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I can't help but to doubt that. We already have to pay a fee to bear arms right here in Colorado. Illinois requires a FOID card to keep arms and there is a fee associated with getting the card. New Jersey requires a Firearms ID card and getting one costs money and many month's wait. Californians have to pay a few different fees when they buy a firearm that add up to $25 a pop.

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#13

How much is the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) fee?

The State's DROS fee is $19.00 which covers the costs of the background checks and transfer registry. There is also a required $1.00 Firearms Safety Testing fee and a $5.00 Safety and Enforcement fee. If the transaction being processed is a dealer sale, consignment return, or return from pawn, the dealer may impose other charges as long as this amount is clearly shown as a "dealer fee" and not misrepresented as a state fee. In the event of a private party transfer, the firearms dealer may additionally charge a fee of $10 per firearm transferred.

When settling on the purchase price of a firearm and before completing the transaction, you may want to ask the dealer to disclose and identify any and all fees he/she is charging to complete the transaction.

PC Sections 12076, 12082, and 12806)
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It's certainly extortion, but it's long been established and probably isn't going anywhere. We would simply become California #2.
 
Why doesn't Colorado use NICS and avoid state expenditure?
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Because CBI lobbies hard to justify their budget. They're no different from any other agency.

I can't stand CBI. Instead of denial on conviction, they have a policy of denial on arrest; If they don't have a disposition for you case, you will be denied until you prove that charges were dropped, you were acquitted, etc. I got denied in 2002 when they revamped their records, took about 3 months to get it squared away with trips to the court house, etc. This was an arrest and felony charge at 15 that was a deferred adjudication. At the time of denial I was 20, and I had already bought about a dozen guns through FFLs since turning 18.

They had over 7,600 denials last year. A little over half were appealed, and more than half of those appeals resulted in a reversal.
 
I thought Colorado was a wide open western state with independent minded people. I'm glad I didn't relocate there if this is what is happening to it.
 
I don't know...I just saw Rep. Vigil a D, suggest a no vote. My understanding is if we have 4 more D's vote no it will die...in which case we may have some hope. We do have some, more reasonable, old style D's like Vigil in more rural parts of the state...we'll see.
 
I thought Colorado was a wide open western state with independent minded people. I'm glad I didn't relocate there if this is what is happening to it.
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It was, and I think to a large extent, it still is. Most voters in this state are independent. There are a lot of people who will vote either way, depending on what issues they feel are most important. Few felt that 2nd amendment rights were at risk, so many of these independents voted Democrat the last couple of rounds on account of social issues.

I personally feel that whether any of this legislation passes or not, this state will trend right in the next elections. Hickenlooper has a re-election bid in 2014, and his political future in this state will be uncertain if these bills hit his desk and he signs them.

Despite the crap that's going on here, there is a strong gun culture in Colorado. I personally know a staggering number of independents and Democrats that will not again vote for any legislator who supports these bills. Vigil is a perfect example of a Democrat who understands the difference between a Colorado Democrat or left leaning independent and a New York liberal. He is representing his constituents, doing the job he was elected to do. He will see re-election.
 
This woman speaking now is driving me crazy. She is openly advocating that a "feeling of safety" is all that matters and not whether or not the bill will actually make people safer.
 
I don't know...I just saw Rep. Vigil a D, suggest a no vote. My understanding is if we have 4 more D's vote no it will die...in which case we may have some hope. We do have some, more reasonable, old style D's like Vigil in more rural parts of the state...we'll see.
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Made me go look it up... the current house balance is 37 Democrats, 29 Republicans. Assuming all Republicans vote no (not a certainty I would guess), then 4 Dems would have to break rank and vote no to bring it to a 33 33 tie.

The senate is 20 (D) to 15 (R). Hickenlooper is already on record as supporting the 15 round limit.

IMHO, this is a done deal if it get past the house, and I think its a long shot to get enough NO votes to stop it.

Im really curious about how the population breaks down... if the Dems ram this through, then there may be some seats that switch back in the next election.

Im obviously biased, but the "no" arguments seem based in facts, and logic, the "yes" arguments seem to be mostly feelings and emotion. Not surprising, but its interesting to listen first hand to this.
 
Very well spoken, not emotional. I find the stats on jobs leaving CO to be interesting. The rest of the house should be listening VERY carefully.
 
Everett (R) from Littleton (including Columbine) gave a very good NO argument.

Caroll Murphy (R) Castle Rock pointing out this effectively dis-arms private security, interferes with collectors, potentially school resource officers. (she is rambling a bit)
 
Scott (R) Grand Junction: Violence is the problem, not any one item. Laws in an of themselves can't change the way people think. Said throw out all four of these proposals.
 
Mark Foote (D) Lafayette: markedly FOR the ban on magazines. Citing Heller suggesting there are limits within.

Humphery (R) Severence AGAINST.

Ferradino (D) Denver just admitted the magazine ban will NOT do anything to stop gun violence, but he's still for it.
 
Ferrandino actually stated that he "rises in strong support of it", not just for it.

I'm an NJ resident watching with horror as the same show that unfolded on Wednesday in NJ happens to you folks. These people are voting for a bill while openly admitting that it will not save lives or do anything to impact criminals.
 
Fields (D) claims she has 62% support to magazine limits. Points out it's 'just a start' to comprehensive gun reform. (She's the sponsor)

Also just claimed she had the support of Sherrif's Assn?
 
It's like we're in the Twilight Zone; they just ignore the hundreds of jobs that will be affected by this piece of legislation, they openly admit that this bill is not a solution to any problem, yet they march on.
 
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