Colorado Emergency

[Larry Ashcraft]

Angela Giron tried to have a town meeting on economics Saturday. Several gun owners were there to remind her: "You work for us!"

She declined to talk about gun control but promised to discuss it next Saturday. She says she's "still learning" about the issue. My son and I will be there. I think she can be swayed to our side if we have a good showing. She will definitely be voted out of office if she takes a gun control stance in this town, and we need to make sure she knows it.

 

[Rio Laxas]

The Denver Post has a particularly poorly worded poll about companies such as Magpul leaving. It asks:

If Colorado passes legislation banning the possession of high-capacity gun clips, should Colorado-based manufacturers of such magazines leave the state?

Yes. Let them carry through with their recent threats to leave. Colorado doesn't need them here.

No. HB 1224 makes it clear they could still legally produce high-capacity clips to sell elsewhere, and Colorado needs the jobs.

Unsure. I'm somewhere in the middle.

How about yes they should leave the state because it is the right thing to do, but Colorado definitely needs the jobs.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Well, I can feel the raised tread pattern of the tire tracks on my back. They feel like "D"s.

 

[LawScholar]

I am crestfallen. I have spent years setting up a life for myself in Colorado.

I will be hoping against hope for victory in 2014.

 

[dvlhntr]

colorado house vote.

a very dark day.




folks please start (or continue) calling, writing and emailing Colorado Senate members.

Please keep it professional.

Please contact as many non-politically active people you know and help them become more active.

 

[phonesysphonesys]

Well they got there way and rammed their stuff through. They didn't care what we said. I hope that a lot of them are turned out at the next election. Been in a foul mood all day.
Semper Fi

 

[N310toN170]

I'm glad to have finally joined but sad to say that my first post on THR had to be the letter to the Senators and Governor:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

Unfortunately, the proposals of House Bill(s) 1224, 1226, 1228 & 1229 infringe greatly on liberties of tax paying, law abiding citizens but time and time again the facts show do very little for safety, temporary or otherwise. The Columbine shootings during the Brady Bill is a prime example of this.

Statistics and past events aside, a magazine restriction or any other legislation is rhetoric to those that have no intention of following within the guidelines of the law and are using these tools with the intention of breaking other laws.

If you compound passing of laws which have little to no bearing on the final outcome intended for safety the next consideration is that of economic principle. Denver is not exactly a booming economy and joining the likes of Chicago, Boston and New York for gun control measures pushes those contributing to the fiscal means away. Gun friendly businesses are disincented to come and those already established here are encouraged to leave. If not by law then absolutely by ethos. Not only does it deter business but also tourism and warrants consideration from out of state hunters, another major contributing revenue stream to the Colorado economy.

I strongly encourage you to consider the lack of results these measures are capable of achieving as well as the damage that they could inflict. This damage would have to be cleaned up by those monitoring these proceedings and willing to act via due process to reacquire our rights as granted per the Bill of Rights.

 

[Zak Smith]

UPDATED LIST OF SENATORS WHO ARE UP FOR RE-ELECTION

Here are the nine D senators that are in an election cycle in 2014. We only need three of them to vote against the bill(s) to kill them.

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Remember: be polite, don't make threats, tell them that you are an independent (aka unaffiliated) registered voter that actually votes.

Here are suggested talking points:

1) There is no evidence that limiting the capacity of factory magazines will improve public safety. This legislation is not well reasoned and will not have a positive effect on public safety. Your constituents wish you would spend as much effort on mental health related issues as you do with gun control. Mental health is the most significant issue involved in every mass shooting and the fact that our Democratic senators are largely ignoring it has not gone unnoticed.

2) This legislation will result in reductions in Colorado jobs at a time when the Colorado state Senate needs to support growth, not reduce it. We have two companies that have very publicly stated that they will leave Colorado if this legislation passes. This could result in the loss of up to 1000 Colorado jobs and the associated spend resulting from the business activities of those companies. Why have you abandoned a pro jobs policy for legislation that has been demonstrated to be ineffective and will reduce jobs?

3) The nine senators in the list above have to go through an election cycle in 2014. Given the state of the countries economy and that of Colorado, jobs and growth will be a significant election year issues. If the senators vote for this legislation that resulting economic impact "they will own." This is sure to be brought up in the election and independent voters are generally not impressed with Democratic party gun control dogma.

4) HB 1224 will limit law-abiding citizens' rights to use firearms for self-defense that are already in common use. Specifically: pistols and rifles with standard capacity magazines of 16 more more rounds. The Glock 17, 9mm is a common police and self-defense pistol that holds 17 in normal configuration. The AR-15 is a common police and self-defense rifle that holds 20 or 30 rounds in normal configuration. My county Sheriff, Sheriff Justin Smith, testified before the House that these two firearms, or those practically identical, are used ubiquitously by his officers and by citizens for self defense in Colorado.

 

[CoRoMo]

Response...

She has no clue what she's talking about.

Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.


First and foremost I want to assure you that NONE of the bills will result in restriction of the constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. These bills have not yet been referred to the Senate. When they do come to the Senate, I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.


Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.


Sincerely,



Senator Irene Aguilar, MD
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[Justin]

I'm disappointed to see that Colorado Springs rep Tony Exum voted for the ban.

Well, I guess I know who to campaign against.

 

[Justin]

When do these laws go in front of the Senate for a vote?

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

I lived in ca and had a gun shop in sacramento which we closed back in like 89 when all that BS was starting to get worse. The only thing that we had when we opened ws a wait period for a gun.
Hunted in colorado since the late 70's and bought property in CO with plans on moving and living here. Got lucky and moved with my job here in 98.

I can remember The pleasure of buying just about any gun I wanting and to be able to take it home the same day, wow I then knew how it was to live in a free state.

I came to CO because I wanted to live in a free state and live like the folks here in CO. Not like the scum who moved here to get away from where they came from just to change it back into the place they left.

For me at least I made it to retirement now and plan on selling the house in the next year. Looked at Sheridan last summer and plan on checking out some more areas up north this coming spring and summer. I did like it up there and sorry about CO but I lived the change in CA and see it slipping away here also.

 

[Zak Smith]

Justin I haven't been able to find them on the Senate schedule yet

 

[Zak Smith]

Here's what I wrote her in response

Senator Aguilar,

With respect, that is not true.

HB 1224 will limit law-abiding citizens' rights to use firearms for
self-defense that are already in common use. Specifically: pistols
and rifles with standard capacity magazines of 16 more more rounds.

The Glock 17, 9mm is a common police and self-defense pistol that
holds 17 in normal configuration. The AR-15 is a common police and
self-defense rifle that holds 20 or 30 rounds in normal configuration.
My county Sheriff, Sheriff Justin Smith, testified before the House
that these two firearms, or those practically identical, are used
ubiquitously by his officers and by citizens for self defense in
Colorado.

The recent Heller decision by the US Supreme Court held that firearms
that are in common use are protected by the 2nd Amendment.

Restricting use of these firearms in their default configurations
would be a infringement on 2nd Amendment!


On HB 1229, the universal background check bill, it is easy to imagine
a scenario where an FFL is not available in a locale or that the CBI
background checks are running a week or more behind (like they are
now). This effectively makes it impossible for a person to transfer
(not necessarily) purchase a firearm in a timely manner. A right
delayed is a right denied.


On the economic impact, HB 1224 alone will cripple an entire sector of
the Colorado economy, a sector that has been growing due to
innovation, manufacturing, and services over the last 5 years-- while
other sectors of our economy are floundering.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Zak Smith
Fort Collins, CO

 

[MachIVshooter]

Letter sent to all nine of those senators (thanks, Zak!)

This is what I had to say:

Well, after having attended the committee hearings, testified, written letters and made phone calls only to be ignored like our county sheriffs were, I'll not waste text talking about why the bills HB12-1224, 1226, 1228 & 1229 are bad. We all know that they will do nothing to reduce crime, but will be an onus on the law abiding, possibly even ensnaring some who are not savvy in legalese.


No, instead I will remind you that you're up for re-election in 2 years, and though my note here is directed at all nine of you, some need to heed it even more; not all of you are in "safe" districts. Do you really want your name associated with bad gun control legislation in a state where 2/3 of voters are Republican or independent, and many Democrats are Kennedy Democrats who do not support this kind of legislation? I'm unaffiliated, but I can tell you that I know quite a few life-long Democrats who, when having to choose between second amendment rights and all the social issues that make them Democrats, will be turncoats.


Your colleagues in the house have overestimated their political capital and forgotten the kind of backlash gun control like this generates, especially in a Western state where we have always maintained a spirit of freedom and fierce independence. Don't let the doctored survey results fool you; This is NOT what the people of Colorado want. It's what a few radical progressives want, and they're willing to sacrifice members of their own party to get it.


I urge a "NO" vote on HB13-1224, HB13-1226, HB13-1228 and HB13-1229. Do what's right and what the people of Colorado want, not what is being pushed by east coast progressives. This is not New York, not Chicago. Let's keep it that way.

 

[CmdrSlander]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8752543#post8752543

 

[dvlhntr]

if these "steps in the right direction" keep going; urinating yourself might just be the last line of defense.

 

[N310toN170]

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[Zak Smith]

 

[Derek Zeanah]

Make that smaller and we'll run it non-stop to Colorado viewers come election time.

 

[Zak Smith]

Here are the phone numbers too

[email protected]- 303-866-4852
[email protected]- 303-866-4878
[email protected]- 303-866-4862
[email protected]- 303-866-4856
[email protected]- 303-866-6364
[email protected]- 303-866-4871
[email protected]- 303-866-4873
[email protected]- 303-866-4863
[email protected].u- 303-866-4859

PLEASE BE POLITE

 

[Rembrandt]

No more hunting trips to Colorado for us, we're going else where.....we won't support a state or their economy that doesn't understand "shall not be infringed".

 

[skeeziks]

DENVER (AP) — Limits on the size of ammunition magazines and universal background checks passed the Colorado House on Monday, during a second day of emotional debates that has drawn attention from the White House as lawmakers try to address recent mass shootings.

The bills were among four that the Democratic-controlled House passed amid strong resistance from Republicans, who were joined by a few Democrats to make some of the votes close.

The proposed ammunition restrictions limit magazines to 15 rounds for firearms, and eight for shotguns. Three Democrats joined all Republicans voting no on the bill, but the proposal passed 34-31.

"Enough is enough. I'm sick and tired of bloodshed," said Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, a sponsor of the bill and representative of the district where the shootings at an Aurora theater happened last summer. Fields' son was also fatally shot in 2005.
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8-rounds for shotguns? Are they kidding me? Yeah...that's real logical.

Obama is getting just what he wants...State by State.

 

[SigSour]

I am really, REALLY disappointed. I moved from my hometown of New York City to Colorado, one of the reasons was because of the freedom here. My wife has been asking if I wanted to move to HER hometown which is in Georgia.. maybe I will take her up on it now.

I emailed every senator who supposedly worked for me, got one form response back. Unfortunately "we the people" are the only ones who think the Government actually WORKS for the people

 

[mrvco]

What I find sad is that while I was buying some clay targets in Walmart yesterday afternoon, there was a guy (normal looking, clean-cut and articulate) staring at the ammo cabinet in disbelief who asked me where all the 22LR and .40 S&W ammo was kept... he literally had NO idea what was going on.

Of course the dimwit employee who walked up was convinced that the ammo shortage was due to the manufacturers getting behind because they all took vacation over the holidays.

We are (ultimately) doomed.