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Colorado gun control

Discussion in 'Activism' started by IlikeSA, Feb 5, 2013.

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  1. longknife12

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    Finally recieved reply from Sen Jeanne Nicholson. She is hard line on House version. " 80% of those in pen bought from private sales" The fact that a large number of these were felon to felon underground sales. No concept of real street life!!!
    We keep trying.
    Dan
     
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  2. CoRoMo

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    Thank You!!!
     
  3. csspecs

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    Sent one expressing concern that it will negatively affect my business in FL as some of my suppliers of magazine parts processing have facilities in CO for testing.

    Now to figure out who in FL could help with this interstate commerce problem :)

    The law is to unclear to be able to safely order blanks or stampings from CO based suppliers.
     
  4. Larry Ashcraft

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    AWESOME turnout today! The meeting room was packed to capacity. In fact , the entire fourth floor was packed, probably at least 400 people there.

    I'm not sure how much good it did, because of a couple of her comments that were passed back to us; "I admire President Obama." and "These laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals".

    Anybody who was actually in the meeting room, how did things go in there?
     
  5. mokin

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    It doesn't look like there are any anti-gun freedom bills scheduled to be heard by the senate for the next month. The schedule opens up the farther out you look though. Just a heads up. Everybody keep writing your senators and the governer and keep your eyes open in case something comes up.
     
  6. Zak Smith

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    The "first week in March" is what some articles said.
     
  7. cologuy

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    Larry Ashcraft - Couldn't get into the room on Saturday to talk to Giron (the paper said there were 750 people there!), but you'll never guess whose range she was at on Sunday, shooting with some old ladies from the town hall. I was really impressed UNTIL the face-to-face conversation that we had with her afterwards. She spent about an hour and a half trying to convince US that WE were wrong about the four bills! She even brought out the Biden statement, almost verbatim, about the Constitution allowing the government to regulate what kind of weapons civilians could have (no tanks, nukes, etc.), so they basically could regulate whatever they want. I don't think we can count on Giron to back us up on any of these bills.

    Oh, she also mentioned that the state Senate planned on introducing four NEW bills, addressing the mental health and drug-induced aspects of violent crime, sometime in this session, but I bet we never see them.

    Looks like we've got to work on someone else's Senator, cuz ours is useless.
     
  8. longknife12

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    I was recently forwarded this response from an (R) CO State Representative,

    "I have been fighting the good fight for our 2nd Amendment rights in the House along with my fellow Republicans. However, the Dems have been outvoting us at every turn. The fight on the House floor is over for now, but the battle will go on. The Senate has to hear the bills and the Governor will have to sign them. Keep working on our opponents!

    According to my Republican Senate colleagues, the Senators that might be persuaded by sending e-mails and letters or making calls would be: Senators Mary Hodge, Cheri Jahn, Andy Kerr, Jeanne Nicholson, Gail Schwartz, and Lois Tochtrop.

    Below are their email addresses, phone numbers, and Capitol address. Please contact them.
    mary.hodge.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4855
    cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4856
    andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4859
    jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4873
    gail.schwartz.senate@state.co.us Phone: 303-866-4871
    lotochtrop@aol.com Phone: 303-866-4863
    "

    If you contact them, please be POLITE. Remember, the objective is to persuade them to vote against these bills.

    It might not be a bad idea to mention that Colorado is not NY or CA and the people who voted for them were not thinking about gun control at the time. "Please think rationally about these proposals: they will fail to stop further mass killings and the fact that you supported them instead of finding real solutions will be a future source of political embarrassment."
     
  10. mokin

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    Thanks for a short list.

    Anybody have a lead on fax numbers?
     
  11. cologuy

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    I don't think I've ever seen a fax number for any of our legislators. For whatever it's worth, e-mails and regular old letters seem to get to the CO reps pretty reliably and fast.
     
  12. MErl

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    I found 303-866-2218 as the general capitol fax number.

    The address of the capitol is:
    <Senator or Rep name>
    State Capitol
    200 E Colfax
    Denver CO 80203


    btw, there was yet another bill introduced in the senate. This one is a good one. Everyone will especially love how broadly an assault weapon is defined and how the law states that they are highly desired by criminals...

    SB13-196 Assault Weapon Responsibility Act
     
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  13. DAP90

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    There are three Denver area town halls this Saturday, 2/2/13. I hope to see some of you at one or all of them.

    More info at: http://www.rmgo.org/

    Sen. Cheri Jahn & Sen. Andy Kerr
    9:30am-11:00am
    Lakewood Cultural Center
    470 S. Allison Parkway
    Lakewood, CO 80226

    Sen. Morgan Carroll
    11:00am-12:00pm
    Smoky Hill Library
    5430 S. Biscay Circle
    Centennial, CO 80015

    Sen. Jeanne Nicholson
    2:00pm-4:00pm
    Columbine Library
    7706 W. Bowles Avenue
    Littleton, CO 80123
     
  14. Zak Smith

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    From Senator Ted Harvey
     
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    I got this today from the Governor, doesn't really say much other than he himself didn't read what I wrote him.

    Dear Doug:

    Thank you for writing regarding gun control in Colorado. This is an important
    subject, and we appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts and
    concerns.

    Over the past year in Colorado and across the nation, we have experienced an
    unprecedented level of tragedy due to gun violence. The shooting that occurred
    in Aurora on the night of July 20, 2012, is an event that will remain in our
    hearts and minds forever. And while our lives will never be the same again,
    these experiences showed the strength and resilience of individuals to come
    together as a community. Now, as a community, we must come together to find ways
    we can prevent similar tragedies in the future.

    Your letter is one of thousands we have received offering thoughts on everything
    from banning assault weapons, to increasing mental health availability, to the
    rights of citizens to carry concealed weapons. The diversity of opinions on how
    best to address this issue is proof positive that we should not shy away from
    this discussion. We are confident that through thoughtful and mindful debate we
    can find reasonable solutions that respect the rights of law-abiding Coloradans
    to own firearms while maintaining the health and safety of our communities.

    In Colorado, individuals purchasing firearms at firearms dealerships and gun
    shows undergo background checks, and we believe that universal background checks
    will help ensure that guns don’t fall into the hands of those who would use them
    to harm themselves or others. This is a multifaceted issue and part of this
    dialogue should focus on mental health access. In addition to addressing
    firearms, we have also asked the Colorado General Assembly to support a
    comprehensive overhaul of our state’s mental health system so we can better
    deliver support and services to people sooner rather than later, and provide
    appropriate interventions.

    This is a conversation that will continue throughout the course of this
    legislative session, so we also encourage you to share your thoughts with your
    legislators. To contact the House of Representatives, please call 303-866-2904.
    To contact the Senate, please call 303-866-2316. These contacts will direct your
    call to the appropriate office. Or, you can find your legislators online at
    http://www.colorado.gov/esri/webmaps/my-hood.html?webmap-id=a4838d49acca478e82f453d209bc81d9


    Once again, thank you for your input, and for taking the time to contact our
    office. We will keep your thoughts in mind as we move forward.

    Sincerely,


    Office of Governor John W. Hickenlooper
     
  16. mokin

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    At least one of the hearings has been moved up to 10:30. If you are planning on being there, I'd double check the schedule.....
     
  17. Zak Smith

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    Talked to several Senators today. It was productive..

    It looks like we have 2 Dem Senators who will vote against 1224. We only need 3 to defeat any bill.

    We spoke to another 6 or 7 and I think there is a pretty good chance we can get at least 1 or 2 to vote with us on 1224. I can't say who those are but the lists of Senators a couple pages back is a good one to use:

    linda.newell.senate@gmail.com
    nancy.todd.senate@state.co.us
    senatorhudak@gmail.com
    Irene.aguilar.senate@state.co.us
    angela.giron.senate@state.co.us
    lucia.guzman.senate@state.co.us
    cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us
    john.morse.senate@state.co.us
    Gail.Schwartz.senate@state.co.us
    Jeanne.nicholson.senate@state.co.us
    lois.tochtrop.senate@state.co.us
    Andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us
    senatormattjones@gmail.com

    The key will be sending POLITE messages from mainly constituents of their districts, or anyone.

    The Campus Concealed Carry bill has odds about the same as 1224.

    We will almost certainly lose UBC's. I am not giving up but the odds are much worse on that one.

    There is a lot of criticism at the Capitol about the Senate Bill on "Assault Weapon Liability." I don't know where the votes will stand on it.

    Sen Ulibarri will almost certainly vote for them all. He complained to us about getting death threats.

    If someone involved in the recalls could contact me via email ASAP I have a House Rep contact to give you.
     
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    Greater Denver Ministerial Alliance.
    http://www.colorado.edu/odece/downloads/GreaterMetroDenverMinisterialAllianceJun05.pdf

    This group is supporting Rep Fields in her personal vendetta against gun owners.
    If you go to one of these churches you may want to have a word with your pastor and let them know that while you do not condone those who make personal threats against a state legislator you also do not condone a state legislator taking personal issues into the state legislative process.

    Fields has admitted publicly that her son's death has made her biased against lawful gun owners - this is not about the law for her, it's retribution for her son's death. That is a serious breech of ethics in my opinion. She is harassing me and my family to satisfy a personal crusade.
     
  20. longknife12

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    I might remind the alliance that a off duty Denver Cop had to take out one of there own a couple of months back on the church parking lot!!! Should we give him back and refer to the legislature?
    Dan
     
  21. Jitterbug

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    A copy of my most recent letter to state Senator's with one response back so far.

    Also there is a decent article about Guns in Southern Colorado in today's Denver Post, that I thought some of you guy's may appreciate.

    http://www.denverpost.com/frontpage...me-way-life-rural-colorado?source=rss_igoogle

    Thank you for participating in the legislative process, I value your input.
    I am in the process of reviewing these bills and the legal opinions and research around the policies they propose. I will look at all sides before I make any decisions.
    Please feel free to contact me again with any further concerns.

    Sincerely,

    Senator Irene Aguilar
    www.aguilarfor32.com


    Sent from my iPad


    Dear Senator,

    Please protect my Second Amendment rights and vote NO on the current crop of confusing, senseless and abusive gun laws.

    I urge you instead to support the Second Amendment and the Colorado Constitution, and seek solutions that will provide us with sound law that is based on logic and reason rather than emotionalism and a decade’s long agenda by extremists to take away and infringe upon the rights of law abiding citizens.

    Keeping repeat offenders locked up, enforcement of our current laws, promoting lawful concealed carry and taking a serious look at the current sad state of our mental health system is a much better solution to reducing violent crime than punishing law abiding firearms owners.

    Some of these proposed laws may even endanger law abiding citizens, not to mention costing Colorado thousands of jobs. When the hunting community is factored in, the loss to our economy could be staggering. Hunting in Colorado is a $1 billion industry and many hunters are already saying they will no longer travel to, and hunt in Colorado due to the confusing and abusive nature of these laws that are being proposed.

    Our background check system could be upgraded to allow those with CCW permits to purchase a firearm without a background check, helping to reduce the load and offset costs on our current system.

    I would strongly urge all Colorado lawmakers to take a big step back and work on some cohesive and intelligent laws that will actually reduce crime and protect the citizens of this state rather than infringe upon the rights of the law abiding citizens

    If abusive, ineffective gun laws work so well, will you please explain to me why Chicago, New York City and Washington D.C are some of the most dangerous cities in our nation?

    My neighbors, friends, family and co-workers are paying attention and we will vote and support those who support our Second Amendment rights in the next election cycle.

    Sincerely,

    Jitterbug
     
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    ignore them

    I would ignore these laws. "I sold all my guns before the law passed, and those mags; I didn't ever load more than 5 rounds in them." If the law is ignored it is probally uninforceable. Just my guess?
     
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    exactly what will happen. "I don't own any firearms and no, you may not come into my house to check"
     
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